Riggleman gets tossed

[mstaylor]

This all I could find on it. No video.

Nationals manager Jim Riggleman was ejected in the first inning when Bernadina, the leadoff batter, was called out for making contact with the ball outside the batter's box. Bernadina had reached first on a bunt.

I saw it on the highlights but LH batter did what they do a lot and swings his left foot forward and stood on the plate while bunting. Good call.

[dumbdumb]

Here you go MST. Check it out at the 15 second mark.

http://mlb.mlb.com/v...ent_id=15094195

Let's see if I remember correctly (probably not)

Foot is entirely out of batters box making this an out with any type of contact whatsoever (even a foul tip situation). Seems like this is true for all rule sets.

In NCAA and NF he is out for both infractions, being entirely outside the box and being on the plate. Either infraction in and of itself will result in an out with contact (even a foul tip).

Seems like OBR would let you step on the plate """" if and only if """" you are still in contact with the batters box in some way. Little League usually goes with the OBR interpretation on this also if I remember correctly. Are any other levels OK with stepping on the plate if some part of the foot is still in the box.

Since we are talking batter's box here.

Is the batter legally allowed to stand with any part of the foot outside the batters box lines when standing in the box. Are there any levels where the toes or any part of the foot """ on """" the line are considered " illegal " when standing in the box? Are there any levels where the toes or any part of the foot """ over """ the lines are considered legal when standing in the box? Seems like being on the lines are OK with all rule sets when just standing in the box, but anything over the the lines in the box is illegal with all rules sets (once again I am probably wrong).

What is the penalty for the batter having any part of the foot over the line when standing in the box at all the different levels, if the umpire notices and must enforce the rule? How is this handled for all the different rule sets.

[mstaylor]

Thanks for the video, I think I looked too early. Fed is an out if you touch the plate at all. In all other levels if you are touching the lines in any way then you are legal. What is not legal, in relation to the lines, is pre-pitch. You have to have your feet on the line or inside the box before the pitch. On the swing, as long as you are touching the line you are legal.

I just thought it was an obvious call and a bizarre reason to get tossed. It was a classic example of how a LH batter swings the back foot toward the plate instead of a RH batter that swings his lead foot back.

[dumbdumb]

Thanks for the video, I think I looked too early. Fed is an out if you touch the plate at all. In all other levels if you are touching the lines in any way then you are legal. What is not legal, in relation to the lines, is pre-pitch. You have to have your feet on the line or inside the box before the pitch. On the swing, as long as you are touching the line you are legal.

I just thought it was an obvious call and a bizarre reason to get tossed. It was a classic example of how a LH batter swings the back foot toward the plate instead of a RH batter that swings his lead foot back.

What about NCAA if you are touching the plate. I kinda thought they did the Fed thing but I am not sure.

Also, on the pre-pitch part of being in the box. If they have their feet outside the line, how is this handled and what is the penalty/ or is ejection the only penalty if you tell batter to stand inside the box and batter refuses.

On another note and totally off subject, I will throw in Treanor's & Yost's ejection simply because the mike was on behind the screen.

You might be able to hear it if you turn the sound up to the max.

http://mlb.mlb.com/v...ent_id=15095195

[Guest]

I don't know what leg Riggs thought he had to stand on here. Pretty damn cut and dried.

The Treanor / Yost ejection:

I wish I was able to see the full clip where Campos allegedly came out in front of Treanor. I read somewhere that it was under the "guise" of sweeping off the plate, which I really have no problem with. I don't know when everyone got their pants in a knot over that - it shows that you're ticked with the catcher, and telling him to STFU, but not doing it like Estabrook would.

And I don't know where this "if he doesn't turn around, he can say anything he want" (or to be specific, "it doesn't matter what he said, he didn't turn his f**ing head around") nonsense is coming from. BullSH*#! I will give any catcher credit for handling a situation like Treanor did there and give them a bit more leash and more open dialogue, but enough still means enough!

Just because no one can see you telling me I f-ing suck or to f-off doesn't mean I'm not going to dump your behind for it.

The Yost ejection is just unfortunate collateral damage in this situation.

[dumbdumb]

I don't know what leg Riggs thought he had to stand on here. Pretty damn cut and dried.

A little bit like a cross town rivalry maybe since they are so close. 3-6 in last 9 games and wanting to win the 3 game series at home against arch rival from American League no less, rather than the call so much. Baltimore opposed the Nationals moving from Montreal to Washington since they are so close together. Believe that might have stuck in Washington's craw. Adds a little bit to the inter-league play between the two.

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Added 5/23

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/trying-times-will-test-jim-rigglemans-hold-on-nationals-clubhouse/2011/05/22/AF7lGO9G_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage

[mazzamouth]

Thanks for the video, I think I looked too early. Fed is an out if you touch the plate at all. In all other levels if you are touching the lines in any way then you are legal. What is not legal, in relation to the lines, is pre-pitch. You have to have your feet on the line or inside the box before the pitch. On the swing, as long as you are touching the line you are legal.

I just thought it was an obvious call and a bizarre reason to get tossed. It was a classic example of how a LH batter swings the back foot toward the plate instead of a RH batter that swings his lead foot back.

What about NCAA if you are touching the plate. I kinda thought they did the Fed thing but I am not sure.

Also, on the pre-pitch part of being in the box. If they have their feet outside the line, how is this handled and what is the penalty/ or is ejection the only penalty if you tell batter to stand inside the box and batter refuses.

On another note and totally off subject, I will throw in Treanor's & Yost's ejection simply because the mike was on behind the screen.

You might be able to hear it if you turn the sound up to the max.

http://mlb.mlb.com/v...ent_id=15095195

NCAA if your touching the plate your out..

OBR if your still in the lines of the box, and touching the plate your ok.

[yawetag]

NCAA if your touching the plate your out...

Same for Fed.

[noumpere]

Wriggelman was probably arguing that hes never seen it called before. Was the umpire a fillin?

[zm1283]

I called this for the first time in a D2 game this season. Almost exactly the same situation. LH batter swings his left foot around and was standing entirely on top of home plate when he made contact with the ball. It turned out being a really good bunt too. I called him out just like the PU did in this video and the HC came down from 3B to discuss it but didn't get upset really, just wanted an explanation.

[mstaylor]

I don't know what leg Riggs thought he had to stand on here. Pretty damn cut and dried.

The Treanor / Yost ejection:

I wish I was able to see the full clip where Campos allegedly came out in front of Treanor. I read somewhere that it was under the "guise" of sweeping off the plate, which I really have no problem with. I don't know when everyone got their pants in a knot over that - it shows that you're ticked with the catcher, and telling him to STFU, but not doing it like Estabrook would.

And I don't know where this "if he doesn't turn around, he can say anything he want" (or to be specific, "it doesn't matter what he said, he didn't turn his f**ing head around") nonsense is coming from. BullSH*#! I will give any catcher credit for handling a situation like Treanor did there and give them a bit more leash and more open dialogue, but enough still means enough!

Just because no one can see you telling me I f-ing suck or to f-off doesn't mean I'm not going to dump your behind for it.

The Yost ejection is just unfortunate collateral damage in this situation.

The announcers said Yost was yelling from the dugout. The pitch was off the plate and Treanor pulled it in. While facing forward will get you a certain amount of conversation, it doesn't give you free rein to say anything you want.

[yawetag]

Wriggelman was probably arguing that hes never seen it called before. Was the umpire a fillin?

Box scores are your friend: Umpires: HP--Todd Tichenor. 1B--Gerry Davis. 2B--Mike Estabrook. 3B--Greg Gibson.

[mstaylor]

Wriggelman was probably arguing that hes never seen it called before. Was the umpire a fillin?

Box scores are your friend: Umpires: HP--Todd Tichenor. 1B--Gerry Davis. 2B--Mike Estabrook. 3B--Greg Gibson.

The Wriggelman ejection, being a fill-in or not makes no difference, it was a straight up call at any level. Now the Yost ejection, that was a fill-in, I believe.