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  1. I'm 99% baseball, and of that probably 75% tourneys (after HS ball is complete). I have: 1) 7 year old Reebok mags low tops that I love, and last year, leather-lustered up to the point where the parts of the shoe that show from the pants look brand new and patent-leather shiny. I know they are on their last legs, so I save them for upper-level (above 80 FB) turf-only games. Funny thing is I have had at least three flattering comments on them from a coach and some players last season on how good they look, and they are so comfortable, yet they are really my "ratty-ist" pair once you get past the patent-leather-look facade. 2) I have 1 year old NB that I wear for all other upper-level games (dirt, mixed, and bad weather) that feel really good and are solid protection, I think. I have not leather-lustered them, because they are "new" and have a decent shine after care on them still, but i do plan to hit them with leather luster eventually, perhaps this year for HS playoffs. 3) I have patent leather 3N2 that I use for lower level ball (less than 80 mph). They are super comfortable, like sneakers. I did take a shot with them once in the tow box that I felt uncomfortably ( I was surprised at a fall ball 13U game to get a kid with a low 80s sinking FB and a catcher that was outmatched), and they seem lower quality. So since I don't see an enormous amount of lower level ball now (probably 10% of my games or less), i am able to keep these things operable and in good shape for two years, going into my third. So I think the 3N2 would be Ok safety-wise for the pitch-speeds you are dealing with, but in my experience they probably will not last as long as the NB, depending on the number of games you plate each season and if they are on turf or dirt. They do have 3N2 version that are matte (not shiny patent leather)
  2. I signal/no signal based on the situation as it unfolds: Simply, something quick with no confusion, then less signals (maybe "yes he did" with a point and a strike signal, then an out signal when he is quickly tagged after the catcher retrieves the drop). If there is any confusion or doubt, then i signal at least verbally and will also signal no catch with a safe sign. For example, Doubt whether the ball hit the ground, and the catcher shows me the ball in his glove as the BR just stands there: If i know it hit the ground, i will verbalize "NO", and maybe even "no, hit the ground" and then signal safe (no catch) with my arms. This will probably lead to an off-to-the-races play. Same situation but after i verbalize "No" the catcher immediately attempts a tag, then i am skipping the safe signal and judging tag or no tag. To eliminate any confusion i will signal a no tag with my arms (safe) and also verbalize "NO TAG", or, on a tag, point with my left and signal out with my right while verbalizing "he's out" or "on the tag". Another example, Ball skips to the backstop on a pitch out of the strike zone, BR attempts to check his swing. if i judge that he went, I will verbalize and point with left "Yes, he did" and signal strike with my right, and skip signalling a passed ball, because it's obvious. If i judge that he did not go, I will verbalize the ball, and be aware and ready to quickly grant an appeal to my partner if asked by the defense, to give both sides a fair chance to react if my partner judges a swing attempt. Same situation, but I call strike three on the pitch that was in the strike zone: last season, I would verbalize "Strike Three" with a hammer hand signal (i usually signal strike three with a chainsaw, so i tone it down so i can get out of the way and react to the play of the passed ball), and make sure the batter is reacting. If not i would add a safe signal and verbalize "ball's on the ground". I do this in case the BR was confused from my hammer signal. From this post, i will consider changing my signal to sticking the arm out on called strike threes on passed balls from now on - this would eliminate the hammer and may reduce any chance for confusion. So yes, i believe there is no "written" hand signal because this situation falls into a game management category, but is probably a good thing to talk over with your partner pregame (or bring up at an association meeting) to make sure everyone is on the same page.
  3. Batters interference is a judgement call, so each scenario is judged independently by the umpire, and the rules applied accordingly: In that example you had, my "first-view real-time speed" judgement was Gardner did not offer, and was not attempting to interfere with the catcher by physical interference or even distraction. And, the throw down was successful, so he didn't "interfere" unintentionally. It looked like more of a practice swing based on the timing and body language. So maybe the MLB guy judged the same way. Or, maybe, since the runner was caught stealing he didn't bother to call the interference ?? Now, if a kid actually was practice swinging the same way (not intentional interference) but did ACTUALLY distract or otherwise interfere with a throw and the baserunner was called safe, then I would grab the interference. and I am guessing at some of the levels you (we) are doing, this would be a more likely scenario (because that kind of 'practice swing" probably would cause the catcher to double-clutch or air-mail the throw to second and result in the baserunner being called safe)... Definition of a swing was covered well in previous comments above. Here is the MLB (OBR) rule for batter's interference, with application to your scenario in the video above in BOLD: Rule 6.06 A batter is out if: (c) He interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher’s play at home base. EXCEPTION: Batter is not out if any runner attempting to advance is put out, or if runner trying to score is called out for batter’s interference. Rule 6.06(c) Comment: If the batter interferes with the catcher, the plate umpire shall call “interference.” The batter is out and the ball dead. No player may advance on such interference (offensive interference) and all runners must return to the last base that was, in the judgment of the umpire, legally touched at the time of the interference. If, however, the catcher makes a play and the runner attempting to advance is put out, it is to be assumed there was no actual interference and that runner is out--not the batter. Any other runners on the base at the time may advance as the ruling is that there is no actual interference if a runner is retired. In that case play proceeds just as if no violation had been called. If a batter strikes at a ball and misses and swings so hard he carries the bat all the way around and, in the umpire’s judgment, unintentionally hits the catcher or the ball in back of him on the backswing before the catcher has securely held the ball, it shall be called a strike only (not interference). The ball will be dead, however, and no runner shall advance on the play.
  4. BobUmp

    Late Season EJ

    Yeah, thanks. I am on Arbiter for this particular group and can exercise that option.. What I did not divulge in my first post was that the guy did a few other things that irked me, including not answering any texts, coming too late to get a pre-game in, and in the game prior (we had two, he was plate for Game 1), he missed every rotation he was supposed to make, just stuck himself in the vicinity of the plate all game, then blew off having a post-game between games (again, the bathroom excuse). So, yeah, good advice.
  5. BobUmp

    Published book

    Bought it... Good luck on your next project!
  6. From another older guy (me) about the younger generation, this may help us think of them in a different light: I am a volunteer FF/EMT - I was for a few years Captain of a Rescue Company with 22 paid and 22 volunteer personnel I was responsible for. And I have to tell you that the younger men and women that I am proud to serve with over the last two decades have made myself and all of us proud in their service, dedication, and work ethic for our country and the local citizenry: Many of these paid and volley people have also served in the military (post 9/11) and have done multiple tours of combat duty overseas. Here are kids who in their late teens through their twenties have dropped everything to join in reaction to 9/11, have sacrificed their 20's fighting a war that is the longest war in US history - many with more than two tours of duty in Iraq/Afghanistan, and now Syria - then come home, work to get a job while assimilating back to civilian life, and on top of all that, volunteer to risk their lives running into fires for people they don't know. We have two gentlemen who are now in their late 20's who have just deployed for the FOURTH time, missing this holiday season. Combine that with the way I see how my own kids ( I have 4, ranging from 28 to 16) work hard to dedicate themselves to their careers and their studies and hobbies, and I tell you that I have full confidence that this country in in good hands with these recent generations... I am constantly impressed by this young generation, and, while I am proud of my career and family accomplishments, I still feel almost inadequate when thinking about what they sacrifice and how they put themselves on the line in combat time and again.. i tell you I trust myself going into a crappy fire with the 20+ year olds as much as do with the "salty" guys... Same feeling on the baseball diamond...
  7. The "from this angle, that is the call I have." line has worked great for me in the past.. And at all levels of play where I was working solo either due to a) injury b) no-show c) schedule screw-up or last minute game add, or d) lower level/ lower age planned one-man game.. never have to bring up anything at a plate meeting to prime them - when the inevitable back-swipe at second on a steal happens, I just pull that line out on whichever coach questions the call (depending on what call i made). When they are asking about a a no-call on what they thought was a balk, It's modified to "from my angle, i did not see a balk". A good suggestion from above that works in 1 man (2 or 3 man as well) is to not lock yourself in until the pitcher stops in his set and starts his pitching motion. Part of my timing is to stay up until that point then come down and lock in (it helps when you have catchers that move around pre-pitch as well, you can make small adjustments to ensure you have a good lane in the slot to look at the pitch). That way you got a good look for the most common "obvious' balks that may cause consternation from coaches if you miss them.
  8. BobUmp

    Double Play

    This is a learning experience for me. luckily, i have not had to make a DP call on an OP like this using FED rules in the past.. I was applying FED 8-4-2 Clauses 2 and 6, and part of 7: 8-4-2 Any runner is out when he:. 2. does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play, does not slide in a direct line between the bases; or A runner may slide in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder. Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the slide must be legal. (2-32-1, 2) Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal. 6. as a runner or retired runner, fails to execute a legal slide, or does not attempt to avoid the fielder or the play on a force play at any base; or 7. .......... If a retired runner interferes, and in the judgment of the umpire, another runner could have been put out, the umpire shall declare that runner out i was interpreting the Clauses as: He elected not to slide, so to be legal, he either must stay in a direct line between the bases and be far enough away from the fielder as to not alter the fielders actions, or he must avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder. if he did (unintentional or intentional), he was out and the BR was out. So, I am guessing what you are saying is: 8-4-2 Clause 7 applies to INTENTIONAL interference by the runner only 8-4-2 Clauses 2 and 6 apply to FPSR at the base (close vicinity of) at the immediate time of the force play and initial throw attempt ONLY, not to the entire play or away from the base Do I have this correct now? Thanks for the clarification in advance
  9. BobUmp

    Double Play

    Hmmm. digesting the comments, and trying to match that against how I think i would have reacted....I agree, an illegal slide via FPSR is not what we are talking about, no issues there... What is getting me is the fact that the runner gets hit with the throw from "around" second base. i am still sticking with my "it's a judgement call" first: Scenario 1) Yes, it could be that the fielder made a lousy throw = judgement = "that's nothing" = rules application is live ball, play on Scenario 2) Yes, it could be that the fielder totally misplayed the DP attempt and didn't attempt a throw until he was multiple steps away from second and basically tried to throw from the outfield, which put the runner in the way of the throw to first = judgement = "that's nothing" = rules application is live ball, play on Scenario 3) Yes, it could be that the fielder intentionally threw at the runner = judgement= "malicious action" = rules application is "time, that's illegal", fielder is ejected, and runner is out on preceding force out i think most of the time the above three scenarios will be pretty obvious. I can even accept other umpires leaning towards "scenario 1 or 2 unless proven otherwise". But in my case, as the OP was stated above, and using FED, i would grab a DP unless I clearly judged that one of the 3 scenarios above apply. And intentional or unintentional, FED or OBR, if the runner veers out of his established basepath and interferes with (in this case) a DP attempt, as long as MC (intentional throw at him) or a misplay by the fielder (scenarios 1 and 2 in this case) in my judgement did not occur, then by rule I must grab the second out. Correct?? Now if the OP included info on where the runner was when hit (ie, say he was "on the outfield grass" or a good 10 steps toward the outfield") I may judge that it was a misplay by the fielder, even if not so obvious from the point of the fielder's release. This may in fact have been the case since the OP states he "was way out of the basepath". So maybe "way out" when watching the play ensured that it must have been a misplay by the fielder and i would call "nothing". but i would have to be there to judge. And as i said above, i can respect a call by another umpire as "nothing" if he judged that it had to be a misplay by the fielder.
  10. I had something close to this happen in a HS Varsity Quarterfinal Playoff Game. I was plate, and final score was 1-0 Home team to advance... At the time it was the bottom of the 5th, 1-0 HT. 0 out, runners on 2nd and 3rd. Both teams struggling to puts hits together against the two starters. First batter, they attempt a squeeze, but the BR bunts a little pop-up up down the 1B line, and the catcher dives and catches it in foul territory, with both runners able to scramble back to their bases safely. Next batter, second pitch they attempt a straight steal of home and 3rd: the pitcher does not step off but throws a fastball high and inside (the difference from the situation above). The batter does not attempt to swing but pivoted his body in the box a bit to avoid a HBP, then stands his ground motionless as all hell breaks loose: I check for illegal pitch -nope looked good to me- he set and stopped legally before he started the pitch I check for the catcher maybe trying to move over the plate before receiving the pitch for catcher's interference - nope, the high and tight pitch made sure he was off the plate and in his legal area to receive the pitch I freeze in my position, no time to remove my mask... Catcher attempts the tag in front of the BR, and the R3 alters to come in behind the BR, between basically me and the BR and... The BR pushes his butt and front elbow out to nudge the catcher trying to adjust to make the tag.. Catchers just misses tagging the runner, but i call the interference, rule the R3 out, and return R2 to second... The HC of HT must have saw the interference or thought he was tagged, but asks for me to check with the crew for any balk (no stop) on the pitcher. I get the crew together and use the time to let the crowd settle down, poll the crew on both balk/no balk and my interference call and rulings, get the coaches together, explain the ruling (no balk, R3 out for out #2 and R2 back to second) and move on back to baseball, which also has the HT throw out a tagging up R3 at home in T6.... Here is a pic of the play (courtesy of a news website), just before the runner adjusts behind the BR and just before the BR gets his elbow out to prevent the tag from the catcher... he's already starting to interfere at this moment... Second pic is the out at home on the Sac Fly..
  11. BobUmp

    Double Play

    i'M IN ON THIS.. First, the NFHS rules: 2-32-1 A legal slide can be either feet first or head first. If a runner slides feet first, at least one leg and buttock shall be on the ground. If a runner slides, he must slide within reach of the base with either a hand or a foot. A runner may slide or run in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder (8-4-2b). 2-32-2 A slide is illegal if: the runner uses a rolling, cross-body or pop-up slide into the fielder, or the runner's raised leg is higher than the fielder's knee when the fielder is in a standing position, or except at home plate, the runner goes beyond the base and then makes contact with or alters the play of the fielder. At home plate, it is permissible for the slider's momentum to carry him through the plate in a straight line (baseline extended, or the runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg, or the runner tries to injure the fielder, or the runner, on a force play, does not slide on the ground and in a direct line between the two bases. 8-4-2 Any runner is out when he: runs more than three feet away from a direct line between bases to avoid being tagged or to hinder a fielder while the runner is advancing or returning to a base; This is not an infraction if a fielder attempting to field a batted ball is in the runner’s proper path and if the runner runs behind the fielder to avoid interfering with him. When a play is being made on a runner or batter-runner, he establishes his baseline as directly between his position and the base toward which he is moving. does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play, does not slide in a direct line between the bases; or A runner may slide in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder. Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the slide must be legal. (2-32-1, 2) Jumping, hurdling, and leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal. PENALTY: The runner is out. Interference is called and the ball is dead immediately. On a force-play slide with less than two outs, the runner is declared out, as well as the batter-runner. Runners shall return to the bases occupied at the time of the pitch. With two outs, the runner is declared out. The batter is credited with a fielder’s choice. does not legally attempt to avoid a fielder in the immediate act of making a play on him; or PENALTY: The runner is out, the ball remains live unless interference is called. dives over a fielder; or PENALTY: The runner is out and the ball remains live unless interference occurs and is declared. initiates malicious contact; Malicious contact always supersedes obstruction. Runner(s) will be awarded appropriate base(s) per umpire's judgment. as a runner or retired runner, fails to execute a legal slide, or does not attempt to avoid the fielder or the play on a force play at any base; or intentionally interferes with a throw or a thrown ball; or he hinders a fielder on his initial attempt to field a batted ball. A fielder is not protected, except from intentional contact if he misplays the ball and has to move from his original location; or his being put out is prevented by an illegal act by anyone connected with the team (2-21-1, 3-2-2, 3-2-3) or by the batter-runner; for runner returning to base (8-2-6); and for runner being hit by a batted ball (8-4-2k). If, in the judgment of the umpire, a runner including the batter-runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out (the runner who interfered and the other runner involved). If a retired runner interferes, and in the judgment of the umpire, another runner could have been put out, the umpire shall declare that runner out. If the umpire is uncertain who would have been played on, the runner closest to home shall be called out; or If two fielders try to field a batted ball and the runner contacts one or both, the umpire shall decide which one is entitled to field the ball and that fielder only is entitled to protection. If a fielder drops a batted ball and contact with a runner occurs during a subsequent attempt to field the ball, the fielder has the greater responsibility for avoiding contact. 8-4-2 continues, but the rest does not apply this situation posed, i believe... So we had a runner abandoning his effort about 30 feet or so from 2nd base, and moving out of the basepath (directly between 2nd and 1st) towards the outfield, presumably to avoid being in the throwing lane But, alas, he runs right into the throwing lane of the fielder, because the fielder stepped on 2nd and then drifted towards the outfield.. So he gets hit on the throw to first.... So, the rules above state: 2-32-1: " A runner may slide or run in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder" 2-32-1: a slide is illegal if: "the runner, on a force play, does not slide on the ground and in a direct line between the two bases." 8-4-2: Any runner is out when he: "does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play, does not slide in a direct line between the bases" "PENALTY: The runner is out. Interference is called and the ball is dead immediately. On a force-play slide with less than two outs, the runner is declared out, as well as the batter-runner. Runners shall return to the bases occupied at the time of the pitch." Also from 8-4-2; Any runner is out when he "intentionally interferes with a throw or a thrown ball; or he hinders a fielder on his initial attempt to field a batted ball. A fielder is not protected, except from intentional contact if he misplays the ball and has to move from his original location" and "or his being put out is prevented by an illegal act by anyone connected with the team (2-21-1, 3-2-2, 3-2-3) or by the batter-runner" and "If, in the judgment of the umpire, a runner including the batter-runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be declared out (the runner who interfered and the other runner involved). If a retired runner interferes, and in the judgment of the umpire, another runner could have been put out, the umpire shall declare that runner out." So, I am going with this situation is in the realm of 'judgement call" of illegal interference, then rules application of a penalty (illegal) or no-penalty (nothing) because: 1) The runner gave up semi-early: not before halfway (45 ft or longer from 2nd) which the interp example had "no interference", but still kind of early to put a possible seed of doubt that a well-aimed non-erroneous throw from 2nd would have a chance to hit him.. So, judgement part A) was the fielder's throw from 2nd "misplayed" or "bungled" somehow, having nothing to do with the runner giving up and veering off? if so, then NO interference, we got nothing 2) Did the runner "give up giving up" too soon, and bungle himself right into the throwing path? So, judgement part B) did the runner intentionally (definitely interference, and by rule a double play) or unintentionally move himself right into the established throwing path of the throw from 2nd to 1st? if unintentional, could he have caused the fielder to 'bungle" the throw a little, or even just run plain in the way of a well-aimed throw? if so, he interfered, and the rule has a double play. if not, then it was just a poor throw/execution by the fielder and we have nothing... Now, all that said, I really think, in most cases where a runner who is closer than halfway to 2nd and veers into a double play throw from 2nd and gets hit, I am judging interference (unintentional or intentional) on the runner and grabbing two outs... but since it is also IMO a judgement call on interference or nothing, I hope there wasn't a huge "discussion" from defense with the umpires... just check to make sure the judgement was no interference (intentional or unintentional) by the runner, the fielder misplayed the double play throw (which would make the no-call ruling legal)...
  12. I find these types of things the hardest to judge the proper award, in practice. I think because i umpire at many age and skill levels, i have a hard time judging if the BR can actually make two more bases or not on the hit. Many times I will see a ball gap the LF and CF, and roll slowly all the way back to the wall: I will come in from A, watch the touch, make sure there is no OBS, and notice the kid motoring on his horse towards second, look back at the play and still see the ball bouncing around, and get on my horse in preparation to be taking the BR into 3rd, only to have the kid running like he is in loose sand and only getting to second. Many times I'm thinking to myself "geez, if he was OBS at first, i probably would have given him third with that shot". Two weeks ago i had a BR hit a gapper that when it hit the fence, bounced back over the Cf and LF heads and rolled into LF, with them chasing the ball. The BR missed touching first running full out, and a DEF Coach in the dugout noticed and starts yelling. I'm thinking to myself that now i'm going to have to punch this kid out if they properly appeal because he will definitely be standing up into third... AND I was wrong... One slow motion trip around the bases and he gets gunned down at third...
  13. I've taken a bunch off my F3 shins this season, and zero issues: note that i keep the inserts in. Including upper 80's shots. Bonus - The inserts take almost all the sweat, and I wash the inserts in the washing machine - they smell awesome all year. Last weekend took a low 80's slider (off the plate and offered at with a swing and miss) - direct hit, but at a weird angle of approach - barely felt it. Definitely check your tax situation and decide when to purchase from there, unless your fee money burns a hole in your pocket and you couldn't possibly wait until January!
  14. I've also got nothing on any of the pitches. Good for him to keep a good pace delivering pitches. Only close ones really were the first one on each video. I would be OK with a judgment call from my partner of a balk on those, but when I first looked at the video, it did not induce me personally to yell "balk" at the screen.. I would like to add that the runners did not seem to have any issues with this pitcher's pace or moves either, they got great jumps on him every time. Even the batters seemed to be comfortable with him also. If that shot down the line was fair, at least one run was scoring...
  15. BobUmp

    Late Season EJ

    Yep, i could've tossed him. Should've tossed him.. I just really don't remember the coach or team from any other game at any time.. Threw me for a loop there. But my guess is he has "problems" with any umpire who addresses any conduct from his team, and just lumped me in that group. So again, should've tossed him
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