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The reasoning for keeping the ball live during type A OBS and while the ball is in flight is twofold. If you kill the play and the ball subsequently goes out of play, it will be difficult to satisfy the coach concerning the two base award when the cause of the award happened after the play was dead. Another argument will come because coach will claim that his players stopped when they heard the play being killed resulting in them not being able to prevent the ball from going out of play.

Another oops. On a roll.

You are correct. I misspoke. I realized this after reading it. Oops

Even in the event of type A OBS, if the ball is in flight when the OBS occurs, you cannot immediately kill it because the ball has the unlikely opportunity of going out of play in which event the two base award takes precedence.

OBR/NCAA Call the OBS. If the ball is in possession of a fielder, call time, award R2 third keep R1 at first. If the OBS was near second base and prevented R2 from retouching, you can rule that since the OBS was the cause of R2 not retouching, no actual retouch is necessary and any further appeal will not be upheld. If the OBS did not prevent R2 from retouching, it is his responsibility to retouch prior to advancing on the award. If R2 fails to do so, he is subject to be put out upon proper appeal. If the ball is in flight when the OBS occurs, you call the OBS and wait to see what the status of the ball is at the end of the throw. If possessed by a fielder, see above. If the ball goes out of play, award R2 home and R1 third. Again depending where the OBS occurred, you can either ignore or uphold a proper appeal. Again, if the OBS did not prevent R2 from retouching, it is R2's responsibility to retouch prior to advancing on the appropriate award.

3 man changes R1 only. U3 now has the option of deep B or deep C as his starting position regardless of whether the batter is a lefty or righty. R3 only. If U3 or U1 does not go out for a fly ball, U3 will line up the tag of R3. U1 will have BR at 1st and 2nd. I was taught and use this as the "twist" mechanic. PU signals by twirling his right index finger horizontally towards his left hand which is open. I'm sure there are different names and signals for this.

Unless runners are off on the pitch in which case you could possibly watch base touches, you should have the tag up lined up with your eyes on the ball regardless of who has the responsibility to make the call.

:rolleyes:

If the play is such that it requires a verbal announcement along with the physical mechanic, it is either "That's a catch, that's a catch" or "No catch, no catch" If for some reason the signal with the verbal is misinterpreted it is a them problem.

As I stated earlier, your prepitch positioning is based on where the likelihood of a play will be made on a non batted ball. With bases loaded, the percentages say that those plays will be made on R3. This is why we start in C. Once the ball is batted you are expected to be in whatever position the play dictates, whether it's on the third base line for a rundown or as close to first as the play will allow on an instinct play.

Under OBR, when there are multiple appeals concerning missed bases, the status of the runner at the time the base is missed takes precedence regardless of what order the appeals take place. There has been some contradicting interps within the NCAA but I believed this was resolved either last year or the year before. I will look into it since I will be back into that rule set soon.

Prepitch positioning is based on being in proper position for the most likely play on a non batted ball. Once the ball is hit you are expected to get yourself into whatever position you need for that particular play. C is the proper position with bases loaded.

Food for thought. You said R1 R3 double steal. If R3 is attempting to advance when BI occurs you can call R3 out for the BI. If R3 commits home after the BI and subsequent throw to 2nd, you now get the batter and return runners per the op.

Whether or not you have OBS is in the eye of the beholder. The one thing you have to remember is when the words "that's obstruction" come out of your mouth you have to enforce a rule. In FED, by rule you have to award an additional base. Not necessarily so under OBR. I could see myself calling it either way. I am not ejecting for MC.

Alive and well.

JM Now what fun would that be if I answered right away?

Actually you can have a "dead ball" appeal when there are fewer than 3 outs.

Technically, you can have a dead ball appeal in OBR and NCAA when there is a fourth out appeal. All other appeals for outs 1-3 must occur during a live ball.

Triple play today. So ends the four year drought.

If you are working two man the number of outs has zero influence where you should be playing. Your prepitch positioning is based on the likelihood of a play on a non batted ball. Once the ball is batted you are expected to be where you need to be.

Great point. If the ball is caught for an out, that action takes precedence over the passing infraction therefore the run would not score. Same principle as an OBS call on the BR on a fly ball that is caught. The OBS is ignored due to it having bearing on the play.

Your CCA also says that with R1R3 and U1 goes out PU has R1 into 3rd. I think the original rational was that with a trouble ball to right/right center where U1 goes out there is a higher probability of a play on R1 at 3rd versus a trouble ball in left center. Don't know for sure

Nice. Now if they would communicate this nationally. Toms email from last year went the other way. Lets figure it out boys.

I was thinking of a different scenario.

If a pitcher makes an illegal feign you kill it immediately. You do not allow a subsequent attempt or throw. When F1 aborts his attempt that play is now over.