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Everything posted by ricka56
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Sitch 11 does not imply that any delay was made. Coach could be done with his conference in a timely manner and take the practice ball off of the field with him as he goes back to the dugout. In either case, the defensive team has not yet committed to bringing that player in to pitch. so the umpire can't know for sure the purpose of the infielder warm up. So I think Sit 11 does applies to the OP. Does Sitch 11 apply to a new infielder freshly brought into the game ? I think it does.
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5-1-1 is the dead ball rules. For 5-1-1f to apply, there are two criteria that both have to be met (AND statement): 1. ball touches umpire before touching a fielder - False, it touched a fielder first. 2. ball touches umpire before passing fielder other than F1 - true, but since it is ANDED with criteria 1, the 5-1-1f criteria is not met. So the ball is not a dead ball, play on. Boolean algebra can be tricky.
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New F1 comes in and starts his warm-ups. While PU is dealing with the line-up changes. DT throws a ball to the infielders and F6 (the future F1 to relieve the F1 currently warming up) throws around in a pre-warm-up warm-up. I don't think this is allowed, but I don't know what rule or interp that would address it. Can anyone confirm this and cite rule/interp support.
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If you were in an MLB national league game, we all would probably recognize every batter that comes to bat (especially F1/F2). We'd probably even know who was on deck. It is hard to get that level of engagement in HS games where you are probably seeing players for the first time, but I do increase my player recognition as the game goes on. I try to get my eye height at the top of the batter's KZ, so I size up a new batter when he comes to the plate. Early in the game, I'm not recognizing anyone, but in the later innings I recognize batters, by height at least, and they're more recognizable if they've done something to distinguish themselves (good or evil). Often F2 says something when he comes to bat that makes himself recognizable. I suspect he thinks that the PU might give a familiar F2 a break (which I may be guilty of on occasion...not proud of that...just saying). And even when he doesn't say something, I usually recognize him at bat. I also try to make a mental note of the current F1's number and infrequently recognize him when he comes to bat (more frequently the later in the game he's remains F1). So I may be able to recognize an improper CR that was run for him (note the bold/underline font on the word may). And it would be easier to keep track of this if F1 or F2 were 2 for 2 and had been CR'd twice previously after their third AB, but that doesn't happen that often. But getting my feeble brain to recognize an improper CR before he reaches base has alluded me. But I do try.
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I did ... Danny Almonte born April 7, 2005.
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Don't mean to one-up anyone, but I had a 12 y.o. hit a 400 foot shot on Saturday. CF is about 250, road/parking behind it, brush and 70 foot tree behind that. I lost sight of the ball going into the top branches of that tree. USSSA 12U Majors. Unbelievable.
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It is a warning before ejection, but a fake tag is still is obstruction (no warning prescribed) one base minimum penalty.
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I think the OP is talking about Little League rules... ...of which I have no idea.
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As I envision this play, balking F1 on a stupid base running error, is like buying a pair of one-way tickets (for you and your partner) to Turdville.
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Standing on a base but interferring with a fielder
ricka56 replied to Curtis Kent's question in Ask the Umpire
I don't want to be known as a rules guru in my chapter...it is a left handed complement. Apparently being a rules guru, and a good game manager are mutually exclusive. -
Standing on a base but interferring with a fielder
ricka56 replied to Curtis Kent's question in Ask the Umpire
And the BRD has no rule difference between Fed/NCAA/OBR. -
... are things that are not mutually exclusive.
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If your obstruction call/nocall is to be consistent across rule codes, then you have to have ALL of the same information before deciding. Specifically, you have to know how well the rest of the defense is getting the ball back in to determine whether a base(s) award is merited. If you are watching the base touch and the entanglement occur, then you might not have ALL the information required yet. Something "funky" might have happened after you took your eyes off of the basehit to watch the base touch and entanglement that might be relevant to determine whether a base award is merited. So if you are going to be consistent across rule codes, you have to find where the ball is (post entanglement), determine whether a base award (obstruction) should be called and then announce THAT WAS OBSTRUCTION or THAT WAS NOTHING. The optics of this delay are not good (IMO). I prefer (in OBR) to announce THAT IS OBSTRUCTION/NOTHING when the entanglement occurs and then figure out whether an award is merited and make my award (or no award). I admit the optics are not going to be good for the offense if you don't award a base after calling obstruction, but I think that is the right way to handle such an entanglement. In Fed, I have to use the delayed announcement or else I may be giving away a cheap base. YMMV
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I'm not sure what was meant here. If you are saying that the HS umpire should be careful about calling obstruction on a BR rounding 1B, because to do so commits him to awarding the BR 2B, then I would agree.
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Most baseball rules (below the professional level) have some sort of slide or attempt to avoid contact rule. Assuming this was true in your game: 1. yes 2. yes, but I might quibble about the word every effort. 3. Contact like this is most usually something (not nothing) ... interference or obstruction. 4. yes 8-4-2c
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Another member of the chapter watching my plate work last night, post-game commented that he couldn't remember a quieter (B/S belly-aching) 2-1 district varsity game. I am convinced that it is because I Ball-in/out/up/down the decision pitches emphatically ... the coaches/crowds, they trust me YMMV
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Week ago Friday, I had a similar experience. My partner was commenting about the 4 close plays that I had on the pads. They were very close, but I had distinct touch/tag occurrences (good timing), had no doubt and not a peep from anyone....in the zone feel awesome. A trick that I was taught (never used) was to set up for the close plays with one hand on top of the other on your knee. The top hand is to hold the other one down to remind you to go slow (timing). The guy that taught/used this is the top dog in our chapter. If timing is your issue, you might try this trick.
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When your timing is good, you should have no doubt. If you have doubt, then your timing needs improving.
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When a coach comes out on me, I will walk towards him for two reasons: 1. I want to have this convo away from any players; 2. when "we're done" talking about this, I can walk away back to where I need to be. If he starts to follow, he is "advised" not to continue and risks a restriction/EJ if he does. It might seem impolite to walk away in the middle of the rant about his team, but I'd look for him to take an inhale and say, "ok, back to baseball", and walk away.
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4-man crew...who has that catch/no-catch ? That umpire has to come up big and loud with that call to let everyone know the status ball. Dunno if that happened.
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Maybe in LL where BU is behind the infielders...I have no idea about that.
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What benefit is this ? A back pick from F2 is not a high probability play, but calling it from B might be a problem ("looks" like your out of position to the team the call went against). From C, a mobile umpire can get to the 1B side of the mound for a ground ball in the infield. For the less mobile umpire, B "may" be the right place to be, but I wouldn't think that immobile umpire mechanics would/should be taught. Mobile umpires making a call on a banger at 1B from C need to be trained to get the 1B side behind mound to make that call. Don't want to get geometrically wonky, but BU would be trying to improve a nearly 180 degree view (ball location and 3B), while the PU would be trying to improve a 90 degree view. And I don't know which way you'd have BU backing up...towards LF ? (not me) or towards HP ? (where PU is). And your vision isn't immediately usable when you swiveling your head nearly 180 degrees. I think PU has a far better chance of observing the tag-up than BU does...though neither are optimal. Pregame it.
