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OMG. Really??? The correct answer is not provided in the choices. They want "B". (idjits) JM
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Nice job! How fun. JM
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And who was on the dish pray tell? JM
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Tm, No, that would be a balk. Once the pitcher takes his "rocker step", he is committed to pitch. (8.05c) JM
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Lala, In this particular case, yes, the ruling would be the same under FED. Generally, the FED backswing interference rule holds the batter to a greater degree of liability than does OBR or NCAA. (See FED 7.3.5F) JM
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BT3, The ball is dead on the backswing interference, and the batter-runner is out (on the 3rd strike). From the OBR 6.06( c ) comment: Edited to add... Also, from the MLBUM: JM
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I feel compelled to compliment @bam on his insightful analysis above... JM
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LRZ, There are lots of contradictions in the rules, but this isn't one of them. Once the player scores, he is no longer a runner, so 7.08(i) does not apply. JM
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Stephen, Pretty good. Except where you misspelled "DH" (which I didn't even realize was possible...). JM
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afaber, While it wasn't "crystal clear", I inferred from the description in the OP that the runners had advanced during the action of the play. If they did not, I would agree that you would leave them where they were. JM
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Steve, So you disagree with Evans? On what basis? JM
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slo8140, Bit of a goat rodeo there. I would be inclined to go with BR out, other runners keep their advances. Case 10.2.3F & G JM
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MPLSUMP, Perhaps "How do we define 'fight'?" is a better question to ask. JM
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WildFlyer, Never mind. JM
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OHUMP, Your judgment IS what you saw. JM
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grayhawk, I think you're inserting something that isn't there (i.e., further up the line). As a matter of fact, it seems the further from home plate, the less the "tangle/untangle" exception mentioned in the "comment" even applies. I firmly believe (assuming contact, of course) that "that's nothing" would be incorrect. JM
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BillKen, That is NOT a "force out". The possibility of a force out was eliminated when the BR was retired on the legal (and spectacular) catch by F7. You have a retouch appeal which is ALWAYS a time play. Score the run. JM
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As described, all 3 calls are supportable under FED rules. Umpires ARE a part of the game. Says so right in the rules. JM
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grayhawk, My comments were informed by the following from JEA: Again, I didn't see any contact in the video, but if there WERE contact in this sitch, I'm going with Obstruction. JM
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I can't tell from the video whether there was contact or not. If there WAS contact, I would have obstruction (Type A in OBR). Since, if there was contact, the BR was "tripped from behind", the tangle/untangle exception does not apply. JM
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@CricketChapman, Like you, I first learned the actual rules of baseball (as opposed to the innate knowledge of them that I was born with or what I "learned" playing as a youngster) using the OBR rule set. When I first started trying to learn FED rules, it made my head hurt. The majority of the stuff is the same, but there are tons of differences which, if you learned under OBR, make absolutely no sense. I remember wondering more than once if some of the people who wrote SOME of the FED rules had ever even SEEN a baseball game, let alone officiated one. Over time, I learned them and learned not to be bothered by the differences. That's my recommendation. And when you go through, make notes on the differences. Then go back and pick out the 20 or 30 items that are most important *to you* and type them in a spreadsheet (one colum for FED, one for ONR, one for NCAA). Review that sheet before each game. And while I think the BRD is a great resource, I don't think you can "learn" by reading it. (at least I can't) I both agree and disagree with noumpere's advice. (For the record,I've been reading his posts for years and think him a very knowledgeable person on the subject of umpiring, and I'm always interested in what he has to say even on the rare occasion we disagree about a particular point.) First, also I think the BRD is a GREAT resource, and one every umpire should have in his library. But it is not one I would want to do "first learning" from. It's a "reference manual", not an "instructional manual". I would also suggest that if you want to learn the "differences", you have to learn the FED rules in their entirety to truly understand how they differ (in all respects) from OBR. (or NCAA, for that matter.) But, I would not characterize it as "learning a set of baseball rules for the first time" as you did, and as noumpere affirmed. For me, as I learned the FED rules, it was always in the "context" of the OBR rules. This made it easier for me to absorb them and understand where they were the same, and where they were different. So, my disagreement with noumpere is not a particularly material one, but more a "way of thinking about it" one which may or may not prove useful to you. If you want to learn FED & the differences, this would be my prescription: 1. Order a BRD. 2. Read the FED Rule Book "cover to cover". (literally) 3. Start re-reading the FED Rule Book and, after each section, read the associated case plays in the Case Book. Until you get to the end(s). 4. While you're doing #3, start looking stuff up in the BRD (which has likely arrived by now) when you come across something that seems confusing, odd, or "different". (It takes a little getting used to to look things up in the BRD. Stick with it. You'll get it.) 5. Repeat #3 as necessary. 6. As you're doing 3, 4, & 5, come to this board and read situations that catch your interest. You get stuck on something in the books, post a question here. Something happens in one of your games that you're not sure about, tell us what happened, what you did, and what you're wondering about. JM
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This is what I use. I like the pictures since I can't read English. They don't have a Cuban edition? Rolo, I understand they have an edition where the pictures have been translated into Cuban. JM
