Richvee

I think NCAA would like a word with the rule interpreter ......Maybe the powers that be should try to define the swing/strike before we go using replay. This is pulling stuff from the MSU rulebook at the highest of levels.

Excuse me if I'm reading this wrong. Are you advocating moving on a banger at 1B? Locking in on a banger at 1B, with a true throw is not "Ol' school Smitty umpiring. As a matter of fact, It's the preferred method for taking plays at 1B. 1. Ball's hit..Take 2-3 steps fair. 2. Watch the ball to the fielder, watch the fielder's release of the ball. Do not follow the path of the ball to "read a true thow". Turn to F3 as soon as the ball is released. F3 will tell you if the throw is off line by his movements. If the throw is true, lock in and be steady for the play. (Moving head/moving camera = fuzzy picture)The only time you should be moving as the ball approaches is if you have read F3 and and a swipe tag is probable. Only then move to get in the widow. Getting set for these plays from "A" is far superior to any view you can get starting in "B".. Getting the call right on one or two of these bangers or swipe tags per game from the "A" position makes it worthwhile to be there every time with no runners on.

You did look sharp last week. Even though you had to be warm back there by the middle of the game.

So true. Also, maybe because of the weight, if I don't have it on the plate, I feel like I'm missing a piece of equipment.

B is not a better look at plays at 1B. An umpire in A calling fair/foul past the bag is much more credible than PU. Especially on hot shots right over the bag, and line drives, fly balls down the line. And if you're really worried about"if/then decisions" and rotations, I suggest staying away from 3-man completely.

Legal. Provided the following runner doesn't pass a leading runner.

If I’m following your hypothetical correctly, the way I see that, I’m not awarding him home if he’s thrown out. He was never affected by the obstruction. If he started home, I’d assume the second obstruction never happens because the throw would go home. In that case, if the BR continues to 2B he would probably be awarded that base if a following throw from home gunned him out at 2B.

Silly of me to expect anything else.

I’m thinking for sure two obstructions there. No way you give BR 2B on the first one rounding 1b. Coming back, that’s a one base award. (Wow. Two MLB guys in the booth. you’d think someone would have at least known it’s not interference.)🙄

I dont think they do. And I dont think they use the same buffer zone as MLB grading does.

I have nothing here. Sending BR back to 1B and R2 back to 3B is making stuff up. What I DO have is another good argument for a double bag at 1B.

That would be a smoothie. They're' not tasteless. They're really good. Seriously though...I think we have a ruled difference here. OBR and the manual say this is OK in so many words. I still contend 8-4-2a is written with the intent of calling this illegal. There's no other reason to add this in the rule about running three out of the path if it wasn't intended to deal with a runner doing what Manny did. Note this wording is not found in OBR. I'm still looking for feedback if anyone who thinks this is legal in OBR is with me thinking this is illegal in FED

You have Interference on a runner hindering a fielder from fielding a batted ball. 🍎 🍎& 🍊🍊

Interesting that on tonight’s Yankee game, the play at 2B that sparked the benches clearing was very similar. R1 took that inside turn and was running on the grass/dirt line, but F3 made the adjustment and threw a strike to f6.

We are pretty clear OBR does not get INT here, NCAA seems sort of open to interpretation. (Hopefully we hear from them) on to FED……. Its my contention this would be interference in FED as per the second part of 8-4-2a “runs more than three feet away from a direct line between the bases to avoid being tagged OR to hinder a fielder while the runner is advancing or returning to a base” Would this apply? Or is this just saying he can’t deviate three feet to hinder a fielder in the act of fielding? That would be redundant IMO since a runner doesn’t even need to deviate to have interference called on him for hindering a fielder fielding a batted ball. This second half of 8-4-2a seems to be calling this type of running illegal. Thoughts?

But the fielder was still on that side of the bag. So his body, while not sliding directly was at F6? I'm just playing devil’s advocate. I’d love an official NCAA interp.

I'm torn. But I think this is what we need to focus on "The umpire may use judgement due to the unusual nature of a play.........Or slides directly into a base from a position not in a direct line between the bases, as long as there is no issue with safety or interference. Interference shall not be called However, one could say this IS FPSR since his slide was not directly into the base (he had to hook his legs to the right to reach the base.

@grayhawk Would this be 2 outs under NCAA rules for simply not sliding in a direct line between the two bases? Or would the exception clear him in the situation.

I unfortunately had TV on and heard this exchange between A Rod and Poppy on this play. ...My ears were bleeding. A Rod was actually talking about runner's lane plays, and said second is treated the same way. Poppy had a few cringe worthy rule comments as well. It wasn't pretty.

I know that guy….sans the patches. 😂

One side's the changing station, the other is the restroom.

@Kevin_K - sounds like Man in Blue works for the same HS assigner as us. 😂

He’s forgetting, or not realizing 4 plates a week from the best umpires are sure to drop their numbers due to fatigue, among other things. And how do the guys not doing the plate get better? The other 4? I actually like them. One challenge per batter and if you’re wrong , you’re out? For some reason I really like this. If for no other reason than to watch some of these guys explode, or watch the reactions of their teammates when they kill a rally on a bad challenge. Retaining draft rights through college is an interesting concept as well.

Stepping off without a throw (including just an arm fake) is already addressed as a reset. (One per batter)

When taken in conjunction with all the other clock rules for NCAA, you would see that just stepping off is a “reset”. (One per batter). After one reset , a ball is called. Also, “legitimate “ attempt. Example- r2. F1 spins and throws a lob to F4 standing nowhere near 2B while R2 never even took a lead. Is not a legitimate attempt and a ball is called. What’s strange, is, when NCAA changes or adds to a rule, the new language is highlighted blue. This part I bolded isn’t in last year’s book, and is not Blue in the 24-25 book.