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johnnyg08

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  1. NCAA is "must slide" that's one piece.
  2. Agree. In my state we have NFHS (Fed) baseball & now in the summer we have American Legion baseball which plays with the NCAA FPSR. To say it's confusing for participants and officials is an understatement!
  3. Yep...but this an NFHS thread...where the rule is different (personal opinions aside) *wink*
  4. Appreciate the insight. Thanks for chiming in.
  5. I'm not eager to push anything. But rather to try to have an expert-level understanding of the rule. These are questions that have been and will continue to be asked by folks around the country and through my lens, it's important to me to have an accurate and thorough understanding of the rule. That's all. There's no other agenda than asking to understand.
  6. That makes sense. So if the middle infielder unleashes a throw and it drills the R1 in the chest who is in the vicinity of 2B and running straight into 2B or the throw deflects off of his helmet out into RF as R1 comes into second base standing has R1 illegally altered the play? Similar to the college rule, is a proper slide the only way to 100% guarantee that the runner has not illegally altered the play? 8-4-2b "does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play, does not slide in a direct line between the bases; or" Demetriou's article from above seems to suggest yes: "In both cases, the runner went into second base standing up. The RB does not directly address that scenario and only talks about the direction of a slide. The complicating factor is the RB states what we all know – the runner does not have to slide. Going to the base standing up is almost certainly interference. The RB addresses that by saying he is out if he does not slide legally. Said another way, the only absolute excuse for avoiding interference is a legal slide; anything else is suspect."
  7. More illegal slide verbiage:
  8. HA! That's fantastic!
  9. Yep...not to bird walk too much...but I had to take a double away from a kid two years ago. Ugh
  10. Good job. Correct in NCAA & OBR. Bummer for the NFHS folks. Ouch!
  11. Yep, I would agree with that. It puts a bit of pressure on the plate umpire to stay with the play and when that runner comes in standing or ducks his head at the last minute, it should make the spidey senses tingle
  12. From Southwest Colorado Umpires http://swumpires.com/rules/force-play-slide-rule-note/ Weighing the force play slide rule along with the 'runner doesn't have to slide' rule. We’ve had two very similar incidents involving the force play slide rule, one of which ultimately resulted in an ejection. Part of the lesson here is to be careful about quoting rules to coaches out of context. In both cases, the runner went into second base standing up. The RB does not directly address that scenario and only talks about the direction of a slide. The complicating factor is the RB states what we all know – the runner does not have to slide. Going to the base standing up is almost certainly interference. The RB addresses that by saying he is out if he does not slide legally. Said another way, the only absolute excuse for avoiding interference is a legal slide; anything else is suspect. An illegal slide is interference regardless of whether there is contact or the play altered. Any other non-slide act is interference if there is contact or the play is altered. It is very difficult to imagine a scenario (other than the fielder dropping the ball) where an upright runner goes directly into the base and does not alter the play. Most fielders will not the throw the ball if the ball or their arm might hit the runner. It is the runner’s responsibility to avoid the play. Telling a coach an upright runner who did not veer away didn’t interfere because “he doesn’t have to slide” does not work. Also, please note if it is a very hard hit ball and R1 is about halfway between the bases at the time of the relay, there is very little the runner can do to get out of the way. In those cases, the fielder has the time and the flexibility to avoid the runner with his throw. There is no interference unless the runner intentionally gets in the way. From: George Demetriou 4/10/19
  13. With more and more runners going into 2B (Yes, I know you can have FPSR at bases other than 2b) standing and maybe ducking at the last second, I wanted to take a bit of a deeper dive into the rule in an effort to be crystal clear on how to umpire this play. With an FPSR violation ending a CWS game last week, I wanted to take a closer look at the NFHS verbiage around FPSR plays and the runner's requirements. I think there tends to be confusion around 8-4-2b-2 that states that a runner is never required to slide and 2-32-2f that states "The runner, on a force play, does not slide on the ground in a direct line between the two bases" Any runner is out when... 8-4-2b "does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play, or on a force play, does not slide in a direct line between the bases; or" 8-4-2b-2 "Runners are never required to slide, but if a runner elects to slide, the slide must be legal (2-32-1, 2-32-2) Jumping, hurdling, & leaping are all legal attempts to avoid a fielder as long as the fielder is lying on the ground. Diving over a fielder is illegal." So, in the rule book, I see two distinct references requiring a runner to slide on a force play. My take is that 8-4-2b-2 is exclusive from 8-4-2b and 2-32-2f stating the the runner slides. What says the group? Slide (legally) or get out of the way?
  14. Good for analysis either way...non-calls are just as important to study as calls. Still firm on the 7th inning?
  15. Not yet. I was umpiring today so I'm watching it on DVR. I'm currently in the B5. I'll have it within the hour. Thanks for the heads up.
  16. Here's an example of a compliant runner on an NCAA force play...note the runner running in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact OR altering the play of the infielder.
  17. I don't think so in this play. I see the runner going directly into the fielder & the base. The exception states that the runner slide or run in a directly away from the fielder. I guess I don't see the exception applying here.
  18. Yeah, this isn't an NFHS thread...but the rule could use some fine tuning at that level.
  19. But it is cut and dried though...if the runner slides to or through the base, it's nothing every time...going in standing up to the base is a violation. Guys over think it. It's happening ALL over baseball now. I also wish the federation would offer an interpretation on it too.
  20. "MUST slide" is pretty clear. It's not quite that cut & dry...but it sure is a good place to start!
  21. I'm not @mavenbut it's literally the first sentence of the rule:
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