Clueless anouncers...

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Check this MLB video out...

This would be pretty funny if it weren't so pathetic...

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=21312949

[JaxRolo]

SAD!!!! :shakehead:

[Welpe]

"Two strides...he's out!" :no:

[Dragon29]

The title of this post is horribly redundant.

[mjr_2013]

What terrible umpires! He made two strides, it's an out!

[Thunderheads]

See this video posted in PROFESSIONAL called .... Red Sox Long Inning, by yours truly! :D

[Rich Ives]

I'm actually surprised that the "drop" was even seen given the distance and the fielders body partially blocking the view.

And y'all know darn well that most folks think there's a "held it long enough" component to a catch so why are you surprised that an announcer believes it? They aren't there to be rules experts and aren't expected to be by the viewing audience and their bosses. They 're there to describe the action and the playing-the-game aspects.

I've seen a number of umpikre comments that indicate some of them have no clue as to how to coach/play the game.

[24sdad]

They aren't there to be rules experts and aren't expected to be by the viewing audience and their bosses. They 're there to describe the action and the playing-the-game aspects.

Then what the announcers should have said is, "Outfielder made an amazing running grab, took two steps and lost control of the ball, which then ricocheted off the outfield wall. We will have to await the ruling on the field by the umpires, who are the experts in this area, because we don't know dick."

Or, they could have said, "Bill, why don't we bust out the 2012 Official Rules of MLB and look under 2.0 'Catch,' that should give us the answer."

[Rich Ives]

They aren't there to be rules experts and aren't expected to be by the viewing audience and their bosses. They 're there to describe the action and the playing-the-game aspects.

Then what the announcers should have said is, "Outfielder made an amazing running grab, took two steps and lost control of the ball, which then ricocheted off the outfield wall. We will have to await the ruling on the field by the umpires, who are the experts in this area, because we don't know dick."

Or, they could have said, "Bill, why don't we bust out the 2012 Official Rules of MLB and look under 2.0 'Catch,' that should give us the answer."

But they didn't because, as I said, they think they know the rule.

And the clueless umpires we've encountered could go to coaching clinics instead of asking "why did the coach do that?" Or asserting a certain play call is stupid without thinking it through. Or assuming a coach expressing an opinion on a play is favoring one aspect over another when in actuality tthe coach has to consider the result from both the offensive and defensive perspectives.

Or the ones who refuse to discuss rules with coaches then bitch because coaches don't know the rules.

[24sdad]

They aren't there to be rules experts and aren't expected to be by the viewing audience and their bosses. They 're there to describe the action and the playing-the-game aspects.

Then what the announcers should have said is, "Outfielder made an amazing running grab, took two steps and lost control of the ball, which then ricocheted off the outfield wall. We will have to await the ruling on the field by the umpires, who are the experts in this area, because we don't know dick."

Or, they could have said, "Bill, why don't we bust out the 2012 Official Rules of MLB and look under 2.0 'Catch,' that should give us the answer."

But they didn't because, as I said, they think they know the rule.

And the clueless umpires we've encountered could go to coaching clinics instead of asking "why did the coach do that?" Or asserting a certain play call is stupid without thinking it through. Or assuming a coach expressing an opinion on a play is favoring one aspect over another when in actuality tthe coach has to consider the result from both the offensive and defensive perspectives.

Or the ones who refuse to discuss rules with coaches then bitch because coaches don't know the rules.

I have worked with a lot of umpires who never played and/or coached the game. All you need to do is talk to them for five minutes, or watch them, as PU, throw a ball back to F1. I would say they throw like a girl, but that would be insulting to girls.

But that is not the point. The umpires who never played or coached, are not out there to play or coach. They are out there to ensure no team obtains an unfair advantage through their appropriate administration of the rules. If they give an uninformed opinion of a coaching decision (that most baseball people know is the correct move) then they need to be educated, not defended as you are arguing. In line with your reasoning, if an umpire says something stupid about a coaching move, then it should be excused because "they aren't there to be coaching experts..."

It seems like the days of the professional baseball announcer (Vin Scully - and I hate the Dodgers) are gone and all teams want in the booth is a home team fan that played pro ball. Ok, whatever...but if it is your job, then properly educate yourself or keep your mouth closed.

After hitting a seed, how many times have you heard your experts in the booth say the "hitter really got good extension on that one." High level hitters do not extend their arms prior to or at contact, unless they were horribly fooled by the pitch. To me, that is not accurately describing the "game-playing aspects."

Rich, we can go back and forth on this all day. Umpires, coaches, and announcers say and do stupid things everyday and that is not going to change anytime soon. I get that you enjoy being contrary, but your argument is a little weak.

[SanDiegoSteve]

They aren't there to be rules experts and aren't expected to be by the viewing audience and their bosses. They 're there to describe the action and the playing-the-game aspects.

Then what the announcers should have said is, "Outfielder made an amazing running grab, took two steps and lost control of the ball, which then ricocheted off the outfield wall. We will have to await the ruling on the field by the umpires, who are the experts in this area, because we don't know dick." Or, they could have said, "Bill, why don't we bust out the 2012 Official Rules of MLB and look under 2.0 'Catch,' that should give us the answer."

But they didn't because, as I said, they think they know the rule. And the clueless umpires we've encountered could go to coaching clinics instead of asking "why did the coach do that?" Or asserting a certain play call is stupid without thinking it through. Or assuming a coach expressing an opinion on a play is favoring one aspect over another when in actuality tthe coach has to consider the result from both the offensive and defensive perspectives. Or the ones who refuse to discuss rules with coaches then bitch because coaches don't know the rules.

I have worked with a lot of umpires who never played and/or coached the game. All you need to do is talk to them for five minutes, or watch them, as PU, throw a ball back to F1. I would say they throw like a girl, but that would be insulting to girls. But that is not the point. The umpires who never played or coached, are not out there to play or coach. They are out there to ensure no team obtains an unfair advantage through their appropriate administration of the rules. If they give an uninformed opinion of a coaching decision (that most baseball people know is the correct move) then they need to be educated, not defended as you are arguing. In line with your reasoning, if an umpire says something stupid about a coaching move, then it should be excused because "they aren't there to be coaching experts..." It seems like the days of the professional baseball announcer (Vin Scully - and I hate the Dodgers) are gone and all teams want in the booth is a home team fan that played pro ball. Ok, whatever...but if it is your job, then properly educate yourself or keep your mouth closed. After hitting a seed, how many times have you heard your experts in the booth say the "hitter really got good extension on that one." High level hitters do not extend their arms prior to or at contact, unless they were horribly fooled by the pitch. To me, that is not accurately describing the "game-playing aspects." Rich, we can go back and forth on this all day. Umpires, coaches, and announcers say and do stupid things everyday and that is not going to change anytime soon. I get that you enjoy being contrary, but your argument is a little weak.

You have to realize that Rich sees mostly Little League umpires in the games he coaches, and therefore thinks most umpires don't know anything about coaching or playing baseball, when in fact most of us really do.

[Rich Ives]

You have to realize that Rich sees mostly Little League umpires in the games he coaches, and therefore thinks most umpires don't know anything about coaching or playing baseball, when in fact most of us really do.

Actually our umpires are mostly coaches who stuck around in a different role.

And my comment was directed at the comments I've seen posted on various boards by "umpires", not by in person things at the LL park. I said it was about postings on boards. So why belittle me by saying it was based on being at LL and dealing whth LL umpires?

And I've seen (mostly on TV of course) more MLB games than LL games.

BTW - extension is about getting the hands away from the body, not about straightening the arms all the way - which will happen BTW after contact on a good swing.