dumbdumb Posted March 22 Report Posted March 22 with a little googling just now this is a copy from the internet of the WNBA basketball officials CBA (Collective Bargaining Agreement) below. This would probably be very similar to how all NBA, MLB, NFL, NHL, etc. Officiating CBA's are structured/bargained/negotiated for (salary, benefits, etc. etc.) with the different peculiarities of each sport addressed for each group. https://www.nbra.net/wnba-dashboard/refs-wnba-cba24-with-exhibits-final_nbra_executed/ and the NBRA old CBA one popped up for years 2015-2022, but my skills for transferring are pathetic. same concept though on the above WNBA contract for perusal. here was the old salary scale by years experience for 2021-2022, last year of the previous NBA contract, so they are now 3 years down the road into a new contract here in 2024-2025 and answers of a range of 150,000 to start and 550,000 at the top if googled are probably in the ballpark based on certain metrics in the contract. the last time i found some figures for NBA games worked on the floor, there were several at 58-54 games on down. would imagine, other games are worked in replay now, just like umpires used to work 135 (down from 162 or more if you picked up some other crews rainouts down the road in the old days before vacation time entered the picture in 1979) games on the field and now with 2 to 3 weeks in replay are down to 121 to 114 on the field now. so 55 games roughly compared to 114-121. oh well. yrs experience-- pay 2021/2022 vs 2015/2016 0 --$200,601--in 2022 last year of previous contract---this was up from 168,000 at the start of the contract in 2015-2016 1 --$210,273 vs $176,100 in 2015/2016)----------16--$431,324 vs $361,227 2--$220,525 vs $184,686 17--437,006 vs 365,986 3--$231,392 vs $193,787 18--442,771 vs 370,814 4--242,911 vs 203,434 19--448,621 vs 375,713 5--255,121 vs 213,660 20--454,554 vs 380,682 6--268,065 vs 224,500 21--460,573 vs 385,723 7--281,784 vs 235,990 22--466,681 vs 390,838 8--296,327 vs 248,169 23--472,876 vs 396,026 9--311,743 vs 261,080 24--479,161 vs 401,290 10--328,083 vs 274,264 25--485,537 vs 406,630 11--345,404 vs 289,270 26--492,007 vs 412,048 12--363,764 vs 304,647 27--498,569 vs 417,544 13--383,225 vs 320,945 28--505,227 vs 423,120 14--403,885 vs 338,222 29--511,982 vs 428,777 15--425,771 vs 356,535 30--524,189 vs 439,000 Quote
johnnyg08 Posted April 6 Report Posted April 6 Are the numbers at the bottom, the WNBA scale? 30 steps is a lot. Quote
maven Posted April 7 Report Posted April 7 On 4/5/2025 at 10:36 PM, johnnyg08 said: Are the numbers at the bottom, the WNBA scale? 30 steps is a lot. LeBron doesn't think so. Quote
dumbdumb Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 On 4/5/2025 at 10:36 PM, johnnyg08 said: Are the numbers at the bottom, the WNBA scale? 30 steps is a lot. no, the 30 years of step raises are from the last year of the old nba contract that ended in 2022, (2016-2022). the lower comparison was from the first year of that 7 (2016)year contract for each step. you get the basics of how the contracts are written but wnba is nowhere near those rates. the contract in the first post has the wnba rates. the nba comparison is the one i manually did from the original 2016-2022 nba contract i found. like i said, i apologize that copy and paste worked for the wnba contact to be posted here, but would not work for the nba contract. Quote
johnnyg08 Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 10 minutes ago, dumbdumb said: no, the 30 years of step raises are from the last year of the old nba contract that ended in 2022, (2016-2022). the lower comparison was from the first year of that 7 (2016)year contract for each step. you get the basics of how the contracts are written but wnba is nowhere near those rates. the contract in the first post has the wnba rates. the nba comparison is the one i manually did from the original 2016-2022 nba contract i found. like i said, i apologize that copy and paste worked for the wnba contact to be posted here, but would not work for the nba contract. Thanks. I was wondering how WNBA officials were making $200k out of the gate? That makes more sense now, but a 30 year salary schedule is for the birds. There's gotta be a quicker way to the top. Quote
dumbdumb Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 4 minutes ago, johnnyg08 said: Thanks. I was wondering how WNBA officials were making $200k out of the gate? That makes more sense now, but a 30 year salary schedule is for the birds. There's gotta be a quicker way to the top. you do know that baseballs is around 25-27 years to the top. it was reported many years ago in an article that mentioned derryl cousins pay after 27 years which was the top. now, they may have lowered, getting to the top, by now, or just made the retirement earlier and better. notice how most umpires get the 25 years in. dutch rennart mentioned getting the 20 years in for the pension, in talks with bill white in bill whites book. so, you could have the pension in effect before reaching the top of the pay scale. and basketball had jack neis and dick bavetta working into their 70's, and the senoir guys are making 7-9k per game. but hell, some d1 guys like the ones you are watching on march madness are working over 100 games a year and bringing home some 250-350k w2s and maybe close to 400k Quote
Velho Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 3 minutes ago, dumbdumb said: some d1 guys like the ones you are watching on march madness are working over 100 games a year and bringing home some 250-350k w2s and maybe close to 400k Do the NCAA guys have pensions? Quote
dumbdumb Posted April 8 Author Report Posted April 8 9 hours ago, Velho said: Do the NCAA guys have pensions? no they have very good regular jobs that may or may not have the old traditional defined benefit legacy pensions. some have their own businesses, but this is an advocation, just like working high school, college or travel ball. but, at that price point for some ncaa guys, they have plenty to set aside and just go buy berkshire hathaway b stock, or throw into a into an index fund like warren is leaving his wife. some in the past have had their own plane to fly to games, ie ed hightower. nice gig if you can get it. or like the steratores that own their own business and work the nfl and then college mens and womens hoops in the off season. and i used the term w2 since more would identify with that term rather than 1099 which is what they get. 1 Quote
johnnyg08 Posted April 8 Report Posted April 8 10 hours ago, dumbdumb said: you do know that baseballs is around 25-27 years to the top. it was reported many years ago in an article that mentioned derryl cousins pay after 27 years which was the top. now, they may have lowered, getting to the top, by now, or just made the retirement earlier and better. notice how most umpires get the 25 years in. dutch rennart mentioned getting the 20 years in for the pension, in talks with bill white in bill whites book. so, you could have the pension in effect before reaching the top of the pay scale. and basketball had jack neis and dick bavetta working into their 70's, and the senoir guys are making 7-9k per game. but hell, some d1 guys like the ones you are watching on march madness are working over 100 games a year and bringing home some 250-350k w2s and maybe close to 400k I know how salary schedules work. My point is that 30 years to get to the top is absurd. Compress that thing and get them to the stop faster resulting in much higher career earnings over time. Quote
dumbdumb Posted April 9 Author Report Posted April 9 kind of an article that speaks to that old 2016-2022 contract that 200k was starting salary and 524k was ending salary before new contract was signed that i cannot figure out how to post and had to do the 30 year scale by hand. https://hoopdojo.com/nba-referee-salary/ https://boardroom.tv/nba-referees-cba-nbra/ Quote
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