Runner Hit

[MT73]

This one stumps me

 

R3 leading in foul territory.

Ground ball strikes 3rd base bag and then hits R3 who is still in foul territory.

Out or safe?

[jimurrayalterego]

46 minutes ago, MT73 said:

This one stumps me

 

R3 leading in foul territory.

Ground ball strikes 3rd base bag and then hits R3 who is still in foul territory.

Out or safe?

Not out and "safe" doesn't apply but a "safe that's nothing" would be appropriate. Live ball, no INT in all codes. He was hit by a fair ball but not in fair territory. OBR and NCAA have the wording in the rule. FED requires an interp:

"2010

SITUATION 4: R1 is at third base and is taking his lead a few feet down the line in foul ground. B2 hits a sharp ground ball that hits third base and caroms off the base and (a) hits R1 accidentally, or (b) R1 intentionally moves so that he is hit by the fair ball. RULING: In (a), the ball remains live and in play. In (b), the ball is dead, R1 is out for his interference and other runner(s) are returned to the base they occupied at the time of the interference. B2 is awarded first base. (8-4-2k, 2-5-1e)"

[maven]

Good pull. I'd bet pro UM's and NCAA have the same rulings. Don't let these stump you: you probably figured it's not INT, because the runner's over foul ground when hit. If it's not something, it's nothing—play the bounce.

Of course, some among us will be along shortly to quibble or throw in their "what if's" that illuminate nothing but merely change the subject.

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, maven said:

Good pull. I'd bet pro UM's and NCAA have the same rulings. Don't let these stump you: you probably figured it's not INT, because the runner's over foul ground when hit. If it's not something, it's nothing—play the bounce.

Of course, some among us will be along shortly to quibble or throw in their "what if's" that illuminate nothing but merely change the subject.

FED requires the interp because they don't specify "in fair territory" in their rule. I don't think OBR and NCAA have an interp because their rule specifies fair territory.

[Vegas_Ump]

In the LL rule book (and ostensibly OBR), it says a runner is out if hit by a FAIR batted ball in FAIR TERRITORY.  

That's why coaches teach R3's to lead off in foul territory as to avoid an out and other weird things.

Play on!

Mike

Las Vegas

[jimurrayalterego]

57 minutes ago, Vegas_Ump said:

 (and ostensibly OBR),

Didn't we address OBR and NCAA in the thread?