Where to go?

[Umpire in Chief]

I just had a quick chat with a friend who just had an ejection and we were discussing just where does the ejected person have to go.

I've always repeated the mantra of "Out of sight and sound of the game."

Yet I was not able to come up with a source for this (I only have OBR & FED rules books here at work). Is this an accepted interpretation or where did this "Out of sight and sound of the game" come from? Or maybe it just came from my 4th point of contact...

OBR states: 4.07 When a manager, player, coach or trainer is ejected from a game, he shall leave the field immediately and take no further part in that game. He shall remain in the club house or change to street clothes and either leave the park or take a seat in the grandstand well removed from the vicinity of his team's bench or bullpen.

FED states: 3-3-2 A coach who is ejected shall leave the vicinity of the playing area immediately and is prohibited from further contact, direct or indirect, with the team during the remainder of the game. He may return when requested to attend to an ill or injured player.

[dawg-man]

A fellow umpire and good friend of mine always says he wants them away from all five of his senses. He does not want to smell, see hear, touch or feel you anywhere near his presence.

[Mr Umpire]

I generally try to read the situation and react accordingly.

If it is for something like malicious contact of players, I'll let the ejected player stay on the bench as long as he isn't yelling anything towards the umpires or other team.

If it is a coach or kid for arguing and I think he will behave once ejected, I don't mind if he watches the rest of the game from the stands as long as he follows the same rules of quiet and the coach is not caught coaching. If it is a coach or kid I know or think will still be a problem, then he is gone to where I deem he can no longer participate in this game.

All of this depends on the level as well. If it is just 14U ball, I go by the above scenarios since kids can't drive and the coaches still want to watch their kid play.

For higher level, the kid goes the same route as the coaches and that is, they go where I deem they can no longer participate in any form. Even cheering for their teammates.

[PeteBooth]

I just had a quick chat with a friend who just had an ejection and we were discussing just where does the ejected person have to go.

I've always repeated the mantra of "Out of sight and sound of the game."

Warren that is a motto most of us use.

Let's take HS.

if you EJ the coach especially the VT coach at best you can make him have a chat with the bus driver but since an ejected coach can attend to an injured player, the coach may be in the stands etc. as long as he DOES not particpate in the game or cause havoc.

if it's a player - same thing. Unless his parents and or legal guardian are attending you cannot just let the kid 'rome around" or there could be more consequences should the kid get in trouble etc.

Now if it's an adult league game, Collegiate wood bat league etc. where most of the players drive then I can see sending the player home especially if said player does not want to calm down etc.

In summary: As long as the coach is not participating in the game or causing further havoc the stands is ok by me.

Pete Booth

[theedeuce]

Out of sight, out of sound is what I has always heard. Don't know the origins but sounds universal. Our league does not tolerate ejections regardless the case or cause. The ejected must immediatly restrict oneself within the convines of the parking lot and remain there for the remainder of the game. Parking lots are more than likely within sound and sight of the game so I'm not to abrasive on where the ejected must go provided one does not continue as an aggravating factor or threaten the safety of others.

[MCLEOD36]

The only issue is for the player; usually confining them to the bench is best. Keeps them from getting in trouble and or problems for you if they do.

[BrianC14]

I remember playing in an MSBL game a few years' back, and our starting 3B was tossed... he went to the airport!

Really! :tantrum:

[mstaylor]

The sight and sound addage has been used for years but the only place that actually uses it in their rules is NCAA.

[BT_Blue]

You beat me too it Michael. It does say "sight and sound" and clarifies what that means in the NCAA book.