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Jimurray

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Watching some MLB video of solo home runs to LF or CF. By the book, somebody is going out and if it is U2 or U3 then PU would rotate to 3B. In practice, I see somebody go out but PU stays home and remaining umpires cover the bases. The videos I saw did not have a close boundary HR where the ball might have stayed in play so I don't know if they would have the PU stay home in that case. No PU rotation makes sense  on a NS HR. 

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Gfoley4
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Well, if U1 is going out, the PU goes up the line to see the touch at first and would easily be able to get back to the plate by the time the B/R gets there. If U2 goes out, U3 can see the touch of se

noumpere

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3 minutes ago, stkjock said:

you're referring to over the fence shots?

99.95 of cases described below are "over the fence"

35 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

Watching some MLB video of solo home runs to LF or CF. By the book, somebody is going out and if it is U2 or U3 then PU would rotate to 3B. In practice, I see somebody go out but PU stays home and remaining umpires cover the bases. The videos I saw did not have a close boundary HR where the ball might have stayed in play so I don't know if they would have the PU stay home in that case. No PU rotation makes sense  on a NS HR. 

Either U2 or U3 (whoever doesn't go out) can easily cover 2nd and 3rd in this situation.

Gfoley4

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Well, if U1 is going out, the PU goes up the line to see the touch at first and would easily be able to get back to the plate by the time the B/R gets there. If U2 goes out, U3 can see the touch of second and the touch of third as he goes back to his starting position. And if U3 goes out, I'd think he'd be able to get back to 3rd to see the touch as well.

 

Also seems like that U1 in the clip above is a little late getting there... obviously still got it right. But maybe he was surprised by the first batter in the ballgame trying to get a inside the parker! Heh

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Jimurray

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58 minutes ago, Gfoley4 said:

Well, if U1 is going out, the PU goes up the line to see the touch at first and would easily be able to get back to the plate by the time the B/R gets there. If U2 goes out, U3 can see the touch of second and the touch of third as he goes back to his starting position. And if U3 goes out, I'd think he'd be able to get back to 3rd to see the touch as well.

 

Also seems like that U1 in the clip above is a little late getting there... obviously still got it right. But maybe he was surprised by the first batter in the ballgame trying to get a inside the parker! Heh

Maybe he thought the PU was going to stay home on a NS HR but it wasn't.

MadMax

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This is a longer take, and you get to see the umpires' rotations more:

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/11493214/v997476883

PU is Mark Carlson, U1 is Brian Gorman, U2 is Nic Lentz, and U3 is Quinn Wolcott. After contact, with how much that ball carried (but not quite enough), Lentz has to go out in a hurry to put himself in position to see F8 (Ruggiano) approach the wall and attempt the catch. Once out, an umpire stays out, so Lentz no longer factors into the rotations.

Gorman watches the touch at 1B. Wolcott is seen moving through the cutout at 2B, having left D and seeing the touch at 2B, and clearing the infield. Carlson has already taken position at 3B, and watches BR (Gardner, who actually got his feet wrong) touch 3B. Usually, with a carom like that and how most MLB players play, the action stops there at 3B... but Gardner went for it, and I think it caught Gorman a bit unawares. While he did pivot around (not bad footwork for an older guy) to put himself in the correct angle to see the tag and touch attempt, he's making the call on the move. 

RichMSN

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On a ball that's out of the park, there's never a need for the PU to stay at third, nor is there a need for anyone other than the PU to watch the touch of the plate.

Jimurray

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13 hours ago, RichMSN said:

On a ball that's out of the park, there's never a need for the PU to stay at third, nor is there a need for anyone other than the PU to watch the touch of the plate.

I'm thinking there's no need to even rotate to 3B if it's a no doubt HR. 

maineump

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We have always done it - that rotate to cover whomever goes out.

U2 out- the U3 covers 2B, PU up to 3B and U1 to plate. PU get's the new ball on his way back in.

I have seen if U3 out, then U2 covers touch at 2B and 3B

Jimurray

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57 minutes ago, maineump said:

We have always done it - that rotate to cover whomever goes out.

U2 out- the U3 covers 2B, PU up to 3B and U1 to plate. PU get's the new ball on his way back in.

I have seen if U3 out, then U2 covers touch at 2B and 3B

I'm saying, the pros, have another method on an obvious HR which makes sense if you're a pro.

maineump

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8 hours ago, Jimurray said:

I'm saying, the pros, have another method on an obvious HR which makes sense if you're a pro.

The pros do a lot of things that we don't. I think many of the things could be crew specific, as they are together all summer or some for many years.

RichMSN

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Less moving parts. Use with caution at our levels.

Those that want U1 to rotate down to watch a plate touch - why?

Solo HR. U1 goes out, the PU watches the touch of first and goes back. U2 goes out, U3 has second and third. U3 goes out, U2 has second and third. Easy.

RichMSN

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Because it's in the book and the book must be followed slavishly.

Actually, to me it's a sign of not really understanding the purpose of the mechanic in the first place.

But I get the feeling you agree with me. Maybe. :)

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