Clarification on call

[Rennolds]

Morning Blues,

 

Little League Major game working alone. Batter swings at dropped third strike and begins to walk to home dugout. F2 retrieves ball and at a skip goes after the BR. Due to the distance between them and the fact that F2 did not run after him this takes longer then you would think to reach the BR allowing BR to walk pretty far towards dugout. I call BR out just before F2 applies a glove tag with no ball in it. BR continues to dugout where coach physically stops him from entering and pushes him towards first base. This is LL, mom is already in my ear, volume set to excelsior. 

 

As a league Board Member I have to wear two hats even as I umpire so my steps may seem a little off, disregard the spectator portion. I call time louder then anyone should have to. I get my parents back in their seats and explain again for the 100th time how I am the volunteer umpire and how there are only two managers. Due to this my parents also know that I explain things like this to the managers at HP where they can hear as well and hopefully learn something new.

 

I call BR out for leaving the set base path created when F2 attempted to apply a tag. I explained how if F2 did not attempt a play I would have waited until BR reach dugout (again LL) and he can walk to center field for all I care. The no ball tag had nothing to do with the out call. Everyone seemed to accept this as the correct call except one, I am an umpire too, parent who keep the issue going. Two inning later I made a point of making this same parent Google another call he said I have backwards, he seems to thing the hands are made of wood. Good call, blown call, given wrong reason? Either way the BR is out as my final shut the hell up about the play was the fact that the manager can not help the BR by stopping him from entering the dugout and pushing him to first so he is out twice in my books.

[Rich Ives]

 

Read the op. The catcher attempted to tag the runner. The ball was not in his glove. There can't be a tag without the ball.

Of course, under LL rules, a fake tag is OBS. The OHC should have argued for an award of 1B!

 

 

FWIW It is in FED also.

[Rich Ives]

 

"BR continues to dugout where coach physically stops him from entering and pushes him towards first base."

 

This is interference by a member of the offensive team. Call the out right there.

As per my post #6, other than an active runner.

 

 

So if Mark McGwire hits a record breaking home run and misses first and the 1B coach grabs him and sends him back it's an out? 

[Richvee]

 

 

"BR continues to dugout where coach physically stops him from entering and pushes him towards first base."

 

This is interference by a member of the offensive team. Call the out right there.

As per my post #6, other than an active runner.

 

 

So if Mark McGwire hits a record breaking home run and misses first and the 1B coach grabs him and sends him back it's an out? 

 

Letter of the law?....You saw it. Umpire WITH the rules. 

[Richvee]

 

 "BR continues to dugout where coach physically stops him from entering and pushes him towards first base."

 

This is interference by a member of the offensive team. Call the out right there. 

 

What if, instead of grabbing the batter-runner, the coach slams the dugout gate in his face and says "go to first".

 

I'd call that a "demonstrative verbal". I'll allow it. 

[UMP45]

 

Read the op. The catcher attempted to tag the runner. The ball was not in his glove. There can't be a tag without the ball.

Of course, under LL rules, a fake tag is OBS. The OHC should have argued for an award of 1B!

 

How was the it OBS?

[Larry in TN]

Read the op. The catcher attempted to tag the runner. The ball was not in his glove. There can't be a tag without the ball.

Of course, under LL rules, a fake tag is OBS. The OHC should have argued for an award of 1B!

How was the it OBS?

It wasn't. See the ?

It wasn't OBS because it wasn't a fake tag. It was a really bad attempt at an actual tag.