Choice or not? - Part II

[UmpJM]

Well, I enjoyed the discussion on Michael Taylor's question so much, I posted it on my association's "private" forum.

One of my colleagues, after responding to the sitch added...

"BTW, there are two "option" plays in baseball. What's the other one?"

How would you respond?

JM

[BrianC14]

Well, I enjoyed the discussion on Michael Taylor's question so much, I posted it on my association's "private" forum.

One of my colleagues, after responding to the sitch added...

"BTW, there are two "option" plays in baseball. What's the other one?"

How would you respond?

JM

The other one is "Option B". :clap:

[JohnnySpot]

I believe the other time a coach has a choice is when a play occurs after the pitcher delivers a illegal pitch ...i'd be willing to bet you will never see this

[Umpire in Chief]

Well, I enjoyed the discussion on Michael Taylor's question so much, I posted it on my association's "private" forum.

Be sure to let them know they can see the whole thread here.. :clap:

[UmpTTS43]

I believe the other time a coach has a choice is when a play occurs after the pitcher delivers a illegal pitch ...i'd be willing to bet you will never see this

Not quite. But keep trying.

[UmpJM]

Johnny,

While you're kinda', sorta', "in the ballpark", I would concur with TT's assessment that your answer is NOT correct.

Of course, when I responded to my colleague's post, I challenged his premise - namely, that "there are two option plays in baseball". I think there are four! ( )

JM

[tiger49]

The second option deals with a pitcher pitching an altered ball. Not really sure what the other two would be.

[UmpJM]

The second option deals with a pitcher pitching an altered ball. Not really sure what the other two would be.

tiger,

Congratulations!

You have correctly identified the (only) other sitch in OBR where the manager might have the option of taking the penalty or the result of the play.

There are three "option plays" under FED rules. And, oddly, in this case 2(OBR) + 3 (FED) = 4 (option plays in baseball).

JM

[UmpJM]

I received my FED Part I test in the mail the other day.

As I browsed through the questions, I noticed that BOTH of the FED-specific "option plays" are touched on in the test.

And nobody has identified them yet.

JM

[FVB6]

I received my FED Part I test in the mail the other day.

As I browsed through the questions, I noticed that BOTH of the FED-specific "option plays" are touched on in the test.

And nobody has identified them yet.

JM

If a foul ball is caught with an illegal glove, it is either foul or the offense can take the result of the play

[UmpJM]

ajjl22,

Well, that is certainly one of the FED test questions I was referring to, so I guess you got one of the other FED "option plays".

Of course, any time a fielder has been discovered to have used an illegal mitt in playing the ball, the offense has the option of taking the penalty or the result of the play. But you were close enough.

I think there's one other FED option play that hasn't yet been mentioned.

Welcome to this board. Good discussions here, and very civil.

JM

[BT_Blue]

JM,

That is also a NCAA rule and also appears in the NCAA test (I had it both times I took it and got it right both times.)

[ShinySideUp]

ajjl22,

Well, that is certainly one of the FED test questions I was referring to, so I guess you got one of the other FED "option plays".

Of course, any time a fielder has been discovered to have used an illegal mitt in playing the ball, the offense has the option of taking the penalty or the result of the play. But you were close enough.

I think there's one other FED option play that hasn't yet been mentioned.

Welcome to this board. Good discussions here, and very civil.

JM

If an illegal player on defense is involved in a play, and the error is discovered before the first pitch to the next batter, the offense can let the play stand or have a "do over" with the same batter batting again.

[cpttuna]

1. fed 8-1-e batter obstructed by catcher but hits the ball. coach has option of taking the play or the obstruction.

2. fed 7-2-1 batting out of order. at the proper time the defensive coach could bring to the PU the batting out of order or he can remain quiet and take the play let's say if it resulted in his team getting something like a double play.

[noumpere]

2. fed 7-2-1 batting out of order. at the proper time the defensive coach could bring to the PU the batting out of order or he can remain quiet and take the play let's say if it resulted in his team getting something like a double play.

In FED, the defense can still bring the batting infraction to the umpire's attention and get any outs on the play plus the out for batting out of order (but not two outs on the same "player"), and have other runners return. Under FED, the defense should almost always make this known (with a possible exception for an instance where a "stud" hitter would be skipped if the infraction is not known).