another ejection.. 3rd this year.

[BigUmpire]

 

Good job keeping your cool. I hope he gets fired.

Tell your assignor there is no such thing as a 1 man umpire crew. You need a partner. If there are not enough umpires to put a crew on the field the game should be canceled. Refuse to do 1 man games. If everyone refused to do them they would not exist.

 

Sad part is that around here if you refuse to work 1 man, then you just won't work.....

 

What if everyone refused?

Organize, resist, win!

[scrounge]

 

 

Good job keeping your cool. I hope he gets fired.

Tell your assignor there is no such thing as a 1 man umpire crew. You need a partner. If there are not enough umpires to put a crew on the field the game should be canceled. Refuse to do 1 man games. If everyone refused to do them they would not exist.

 

Sad part is that around here if you refuse to work 1 man, then you just won't work.....

 

What if everyone refused?

Organize, resist, win!

 

 

I hear that worked really well in 1999

[BigUmpire]

 

 

 

Good job keeping your cool. I hope he gets fired.

Tell your assignor there is no such thing as a 1 man umpire crew. You need a partner. If there are not enough umpires to put a crew on the field the game should be canceled. Refuse to do 1 man games. If everyone refused to do them they would not exist.

 

Sad part is that around here if you refuse to work 1 man, then you just won't work.....

 

What if everyone refused?

Organize, resist, win!

 

 

I hear that worked really well in 1999

 

Have fun working one man. MLB had options then.

[umpstu]

A) why does it matter where the players are during the plate meeting? What if they're having a huddle outside the dugout or something? What if the pitcher is still warming up in the bullpen, or starters are in the outfield running sprints to get ready? Booger picking.

 

B) If you think you're going to get screened by a runner of fielder, take a step off the line in either direction to clear your view.

It's a rule, that's why. I won't let any player on any level be on the field during pregame, period. High school, college or pro. In the dugout or bullpen.

[Wesley]

OBR reference for pregame, players in the dugout?  I can't find it explicitly in LL.

[Pete Peterson Sr]

 

 

there are certain rules which even in professional baseball are "ignored" until one or both managers complain and then are strictly enforced, I.E pine tar more than 18" up the handle, Coaches outside the coaches box... etc etc, if the rules violation does not affect the progress of the game or the integrity of the game then it is probably one that you would "turn a blind eye to" until it is "brought to your attention" by the other coach. Naturally you're not going to let them take infield while you're conducting the plate meeting , but if they are having a huddle or waiting outside the dugout for the pressbox to call lineups this probably isn't going to be the end of the stick you want to grab. Think of it this way, you started the game off by pi$$ing off the coach by saying this, yes you were enforcing the rules but you also have to think about game management here as well. Now if your association is telling you to strictly enforce this, then enforce it by all means... I'm putting this rule in the same category as the "hybrid balk" when it comes to fed rules, both pointless and have zero effect on the outcome of the game or game management.

Fed has a rule to keep the teams in the dugout during certain times. While the other team is taking infield, the other team is in the dugout. This is to stop any taunting or intimidation. During the plate meeting they are to off the field for the safety of the umpires and to continue the taunting/intimidation prohibition. It needs to be enforced, it's not a big deal.If

Read that carefully, i said i'm not going to let them take infield while i'm conducting the plate meeting but having a huddle or standing around outside the dugout i'm not going to go looking for, as for the hybrid position, i think FED is trying to micromanage the game with this rule, the runner should know whether the pitcher is in the set or stretch position, this is determined by the position of the pivot foot, not the non pivot foot. All you are doing by making/enforcing this rule is setting these kids up for failure when they get to college or go play any other league played under OBR because they wont be looking for the pivot foot's position they will be looking for the free foot's position, this is a completely legal position in OBR and NCAA thus should be legal in FED, but again if a coach brings it to my attention I will address it...

 

 

 

 That really isn't my problem, particularly when our state HS athletic association puts emphasis on it. If we are told to call it, and evaluators are watching for it, then I guess it's important to me.

[IABlue]

 

 

 

there are certain rules which even in professional baseball are "ignored" until one or both managers complain and then are strictly enforced, I.E pine tar more than 18" up the handle, Coaches outside the coaches box... etc etc, if the rules violation does not affect the progress of the game or the integrity of the game then it is probably one that you would "turn a blind eye to" until it is "brought to your attention" by the other coach. Naturally you're not going to let them take infield while you're conducting the plate meeting , but if they are having a huddle or waiting outside the dugout for the pressbox to call lineups this probably isn't going to be the end of the stick you want to grab. Think of it this way, you started the game off by pi$$ing off the coach by saying this, yes you were enforcing the rules but you also have to think about game management here as well. Now if your association is telling you to strictly enforce this, then enforce it by all means... I'm putting this rule in the same category as the "hybrid balk" when it comes to fed rules, both pointless and have zero effect on the outcome of the game or game management.

Fed has a rule to keep the teams in the dugout during certain times. While the other team is taking infield, the other team is in the dugout. This is to stop any taunting or intimidation. During the plate meeting they are to off the field for the safety of the umpires and to continue the taunting/intimidation prohibition. It needs to be enforced, it's not a big deal.If

Read that carefully, i said i'm not going to let them take infield while i'm conducting the plate meeting but having a huddle or standing around outside the dugout i'm not going to go looking for, as for the hybrid position, i think FED is trying to micromanage the game with this rule, the runner should know whether the pitcher is in the set or stretch position, this is determined by the position of the pivot foot, not the non pivot foot. All you are doing by making/enforcing this rule is setting these kids up for failure when they get to college or go play any other league played under OBR because they wont be looking for the pivot foot's position they will be looking for the free foot's position, this is a completely legal position in OBR and NCAA thus should be legal in FED, but again if a coach brings it to my attention I will address it...

 

 

 

 That really isn't my problem, particularly when our state HS athletic association puts emphasis on it. If we are told to call it, and evaluators are watching for it, then I guess it's important to me.

 

How often are you evaluated each season?  Do you know when someone is going to be there watching you?

 

I have never heard of anyone from the state association coming to watch anyone in my area.  And what if they did?  Do you think something that trivial is going to keep you from getting a state tournament assignment or something?

 

Seems like a pretty odd reason to justify being an OOO/nit-picker, something that I absolutely refuse to become.  I am going to guess that there is like a 0.00005% chance that you are going to be evaluated on any particular night, I know the vast majority of the time beforehand if I am going to be looked at (or at least what the high probability games are that someone could show up, and I have a pretty good idea of who to look for), and I guess I'm just at a pretty secure point in my career where I  just don't think something extremely minor like that is going to impact any assignment that I could possibly receive, especially if I'm doing a truly outstanding job at the really important stuff, like calling  balls and strikes and safes and outs, which is what should be the primary concern for every single one of us.

[mstaylor]

 

 

 

 

Read that carefully, i said i'm not going to let them take infield while i'm conducting the plate meeting but having a huddle or standing around outside the dugout i'm not going to go looking for, as for the hybrid position, i think FED is trying to micromanage the game with this rule, the runner should know whether the pitcher is in the set or stretch position, this is determined by the position of the pivot foot, not the non pivot foot. All you are doing by making/enforcing this rule is setting these kids up for failure when they get to college or go play any other league played under OBR because they wont be looking for the pivot foot's position they will be looking for the free foot's position, this is a completely legal position in OBR and NCAA thus should be legal in FED, but again if a coach brings it to my attention I will address it...

 

 

 

 That really isn't my problem, particularly when our state HS athletic association puts emphasis on it. If we are told to call it, and evaluators are watching for it, then I guess it's important to me.

 

How often are you evaluated each season?  Do you know when someone is going to be there watching you?

 

I have never heard of anyone from the state association coming to watch anyone in my area.  And what if they did?  Do you think something that trivial is going to keep you from getting a state tournament assignment or something?

 

Seems like a pretty odd reason to justify being an OOO/nit-picker, something that I absolutely refuse to become.  I am going to guess that there is like a 0.00005% chance that you are going to be evaluated on any particular night, I know the vast majority of the time beforehand if I am going to be looked at (or at least what the high probability games are that someone could show up, and I have a pretty good idea of who to look for), and I guess I'm just at a pretty secure point in my career where I  just don't think something extremely minor like that is going to impact any assignment that I could possibly receive, especially if I'm doing a truly outstanding job at the really important stuff, like calling  balls and strikes and safes and outs, which is what should be the primary concern for every single one of us.

 

I understand what you are saying about being comfortable because you are established in your career. The problem is what you are considering nitpicking is safety and sportsmanship rules and should not be ignored. I am not a nitpicker on certain things but safety stuff, absolutely. Guys let players on the field during the plate meeting, not a big deal, I won't get dinged for that, YOU SHOULD. You are standing there and coach takes a ball in the head, whose fault is that, your's. Kid has the rope necklace that they claim won't come off, that twice as dangerous because it won't break away. Coach sits outside the dugout to make signaling easier. All nitpicking things according to some, not just you, but they are safety rules and should absolutely get you dinged. 

[guitarplaya2007]

i've said it once and I'll say it again, no i'm not going to let them throw baseballs around the infield or warm up during the plate meeting, but i'm not going to go nitpicking if they are standing within the confines of the dugout or having a huddle outside the dugout. The same goes for the eye black bull that FED is wanting us to start nitpicking. They say it looks "intimidating", I'm sorry but if you are intimidated by eye black you probably aren't going to make it very far in baseball or life for that matter...

[RichMSN]

I have a hard time calling someone an OOO for enforcing the hybrid stance. I mean, the NFHS emphasized it this year.

As far as the rest of it, I try to do things the right way and I'm helped by the fact I can't remember a team taking the field before the plate meeting ended.

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[MPLSMatt]

BigUmpire, I love the sentiment about one man, but that just isn't how people feel in my neck of the woods.  You just don't get more than one ump for games under 14, or anything below HS Varsity in the school season.  I have my first 2 man game of the year on Sunday, and it's my 20th overall.  When I saw it was 2 man, I thought that there was a mistake of some kind...  I work mostly JV and travel ball.  If I say no to those games, I won't work. 

[guitarplaya2007]

One man games around here are few and far between, actually practically non-existent... it is a VERY rare occaision to see a one man game on your schedule. MSHSAA has all but mandated there be 2 umpires for all levels freshman to varsity (varsity requires 2) when I say all but mandated i mean that if you don't have 2 umpires you don't play 99% of the time. This has become a big issue for whatever reason, but hey, i'm not complaining...