Missed Base Appeals

[Mudder]

2 appeal questions (different situations):

Can you make appeal make multiple missed base appeals on the same runner, ie, nobody on and batter hits a triple, and defense appeals he missed 2B, the runner is called safe, 3rd baseman throws the ball back to the pitcher, he steps off and immediateley throws to 1B to appeal he missed 1B? Is this legal.

Also, if there is nobody on base, after a couple of runners have just scored, and the pitcher wants to appeal that one on the runners missed a base, lets say 3B, and he throws to the base from the rubber, without stepping off, is this a balk (throwing to unoccupied base), even with no runners on? Would this constitute a "Play" in which case they would not be able to appeal the missed base, after that?

[BRUMP]

In answer to your second question a balk is a play so if you balk on an appeal you lose the right to appeal.

[mstaylor]

Yes to one, no to two. Answer the old appeal trivia question, how many appeals can you have on a grand slam. What you can't do is appeal the same guy at the same base, which is mostly true. Also the ball does not need to go to the mound each time. On your second question, you can't balk with no runners and you step and throw to an unoccupied base to make a play. An appeal is a play. It is possible to balk while appealing a base but not by throwing to an unoccupied base.

[BRUMP]

An appeal is a play.

Not true. OBR 7.10d

[noumpere]

An appeal is a play.

Not true. OBR 7.10d

An appeal is a play except in the specific instance were calling it a play would then prevent additional appeals. Yes it could be worded better ion the rules just like so many other things.

And earlier you said "a balk is a play so if you balk on an appeal you lose the right to appeal" and while that is true it is not a balk to throw to an unoccupied base from the rubber to make an appeal. I think thats what the first poster was asking.

[mstaylor]

Good catch but it still legal to appeal from the rubber. Most do not because you can balk. It is a play in the sense you are attempting to put out a runner but they don't consider it a play or you would only be able to appeal one runner per play.

[Jocko]

1. Yes, completely legal.

2. With no runners on, it's impossible to balk.

[Jocko]

Fed Case 2.29.6 Situation B : "Following a base hit by B2, the visiting team wishes to appeal R1 missing third base as he advanced to home. After all playing action is over, the pitcher throws the ball to the third baseman while claiming that R1 missed the base. F5 is not watching and the throw goes into dead-ball area. RULING : After B2 has been awarded 2 bases, the visiting team may now verbally appeal R1's missed base. Because an appeal is not a play, the visiting team retains its ability to appeal the baserunning error."

[Jocko]

OBR Rule 7.10 "Any appeal under this rule must be made before the next pitch, or any play or attempted play. If the violation occurs during a play which ends a half-inning, the appeal must be made before the defensive team leaves the field. An appeal is not to be interpreted as a play or an attempted play. Successive appeals may not be made on a runner at the same base. If the defensive team on its first appeal errs, a request for a second appeal on the same runner at the same base shall not be allowed by the umpire. (Intended meaning of the word “err†is that the defensive team in making an appeal threw the ball out of play. For example, if the pitcher threw to first base to appeal and threw the ball into the stands, no second appeal would be allowed.)"