A-Roid .....

[Thunderheads]

I'm NOT SAYING he didn't get hit ...because why would you fake that, but ...........watch .....at 1:40, doesn't it look like it hits the butt of the bat?

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=23321995&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_23321995&v=3

[JHSump]

At 1:40 it does look like it hit the knob. And the sound was a very solid click.

But he is now on the DL with a broken hand.

Lesson? Maybe the player's immediate reaction is the tell.

[Thunderheads]

At 1:40 it does look like it hit the knob. And the sound was a very solid click.

But he is now on the DL with a broken hand.

Lesson? Maybe the player's immediate reaction is the tell.

that's what I saw too. Now again, I'm not saying he didn't get hit because he's on the DL, but it just looked wierd in slo-mo ....

[Rich Ives]

He must be faking because he's A-Rod.

Way to go guys.

[Thunderheads]

He must be faking because he's A-Rod.

Way to go guys.

Way to read into things Rich!

[Dannytheman]

He doesn't have a history of doing this kind of stuff. But fractured is tough and painful.

[Umpire in Chief]

Damn didn't hit him in the earhole. :fuel:

[Rich Ives]

He must be faking because he's A-Rod.

Way to go guys.

Way to read into things Rich!

How would you read what you wrote?

Or do you think if the ball really hit the butt of the bat it would still break his hand

He doesn't have a history of doing this kind of stuff. But fractured is tough and painful.

?

A-Rod just does stuff that interferes.

Jeter did the fake HBP.

[Rich Ives]

Damn didn't hit him in the earhole.

You want someone hit in the head. Really? Gas on the fire is right.

[Jocko]

Damn didn't hit him in the earhole.

You want someone hit in the head. Really? Gas on the fire is right.

Here's $.25............. buy yourself a sense of humor

[Umpire in Chief]

Damn didn't hit him in the earhole.

You want someone hit in the head. Really? Gas on the fire is right.

Here's $.25............. buy yourself a sense of humor

I think Rich knows my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek on that.

[Jocko]

Damn didn't hit him in the earhole.

You want someone hit in the head. Really? Gas on the fire is right.

Here's $.25............. buy yourself a sense of humor

I think Rich knows my tongue was firmly planted in my cheek on that.

I'm sure he was just :

[Thunderheads]

He must be faking because he's A-Rod.

Way to go guys.

Way to read into things Rich!

How would you read what you wrote?

Or do you think if the ball really hit the butt of the bat it would still break his hand

Rich, ... if you go back and read my original post, and just read it without any prejudice, word for word, black and white, you'll see by no means did I say, or infer, that he was faking anything. I even capitalized for emphasis for God's sake ........

I shouldn't even have to write this or clarify for you.......... :shakehead:

[JHSump]

I think everyone is concentrating too much on the fact that it is A-Rod in this clip. Blank out that fact and just view the clip as an important learning moment.

The real point of this post by Thunderheads, and the only real reason to be interested in the clip, as far as I am concerned, is that a sharp click sound + ball ricocheting quickly away apparently do not, by themselves, indicate that the pitch hit the bat (or hit the bat only). Like in most umpiring, you have to use your eyes and ears to take in all the information available before making a decision. In this case, the additional information is the batter (it could have been anyone) *immediately* reacting dramatically.

That his hand was indeed broken just underlines the fact that he was really hit by the pitch, and so we can be completely confident that the above lesson is true.

[Thunderheads]

I think everyone is concentrating too much on the fact that it is A-Rod in this clip. Blank out that fact and just view the clip as an important learning moment.

The real point of this post by Thunderheads, and the only real reason to be interested in the clip, as far as I am concerned, is that a sharp click sound + ball ricocheting quickly away apparently do not, by themselves, indicate that the pitch hit the bat (or hit the bat only). Like in most umpiring, you have to use your eyes and ears to take in all the information available before making a decision. In this case, the additional information is the batter (it could have been anyone) *immediately* reacting dramatically.

That his hand was indeed broken just underlines the fact that he was really hit by the pitch, and so we can be completely confident that the above lesson is true.

WOW, someone gets it!!!

This clip could have been ANYONE in the MLB ...............I didn't post it because it was A-Rod

[Jocko]

Can't always go by their reaction

Some are pretty good actors

[Thunderheads]

Can't always go by their reaction

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=9U9jttDSUCg

Some are pretty good actors

you can't post mobile you tube on the site and be viewable (unless you're on your phone)

[Jocko]

Try this one

[Thunderheads]

Try this one

yeah, this guy's a real DB!!!!!

Thanks Trout!

[JHSump]

Yes, it's true you can't go entirely by their reactions! Got to use all the info you have.

The Ole MIss player's work was amateurish --- a bit delayed and way to over the top given the possible slight nick and protection he had there. In addition, I'll bet there was absolutely not sound of a nick in the Ole Miss guy's case.

Jeter's work was MLB level. Immediate and more subtle, even though the ball certainly impacted something. But even it might have been possible to distinguish the sound of a ball hitting a bat knob from a ball hitting an elbow pad (can't tell if it's hard). It might have also been possible to *see* the event. But apparently the umpire was fooled.

There is a case from a few years ago with Giambi. The ball hits either his knob or his hand and flies off. The PU looks up at Giambi and Giambi doesn't have any reaction. So, it appears, the PU decides it's a foul. I didn't find a video, but only spent a minute looking for it.

[Haid D' Salaami]

Try this one

yeah, this guy's a real DB!!!!!

Thanks Trout!

this DB is now the 1bs coach at ole Miss...LOL

[zm1283]

For the 328th time, the batter in that clip is from Arkansas. The game is at Ole Miss. Brian Walker is an assistant at Arkansas now.

[Haid D' Salaami]

For the 328th time, the batter in that clip is from Arkansas. The game is at Ole Miss. Brian Walker is an assistant at Arkansas now.

please refer to post #21

[Haid D' Salaami]

Try this one

yeah, this guy's a real DB!!!!!

Thanks Trout!

this DB is now the 1bs coach at ARK...LOL

typo...LOL