pulled foot

[th3]

i had the plate and my partner was in B...he made an out call at 1st and i saw a pulled foot....the 1B coach geastured to my partner with his hands 6 inches apart to let him know the foot was off the base, but then just turned and went into the dugout without any real discussion (3rd out)....foot was clearly pulled...should we have done anything differently?

[Thunderheads]

only if your partner comes to you..........

[Mike Prince]

All that you can do is let your partner know you have information (if you signal this) and as Jeff says, tell him what you have if he comes to you.

[MidAmUmp]

Agree with everyone else, it's not your call...if he needs help he knows where you are located. The only other thing I would suggest is buy your partner a beer for getting you off the field a few minutes earlier.

[grayhawk]

You should pregame a way to communicate when you have information. My favorite way of letting my partner know that I have information is to stand in a place I shouldn't be standing. As PU in this example, since I would have been trailing the BR up the line, I would just stand there for a few moments to show that I have something because if I didn't, I would already be heading back to my position behind the plate. We are there to get every call correct, if we can, but if he ignores or doesn't pick up on my body language here, then there's nothing else I would do.

[Thunderheads]

You should pregame a way to communicate when you have information. My favorite way of letting my partner know that I have information is to stand in a place I shouldn't be standing. As PU in this example, since I would have been trailing the BR up the line, I would just stand there for a few moments to show that I have something because if I didn't, I would already be heading back to my position behind the plate. We are there to get every call correct, if we can, but if he ignores or doesn't pick up on my body language here, then there's nothing else I would do.

Great idea!! Inconspicuous but effective!

[Kevin Finnerty]

You should pregame a way to communicate when you have information. My favorite way of letting my partner know that I have information is to stand in a place I shouldn't be standing. As PU in this example, since I would have been trailing the BR up the line, I would just stand there for a few moments to show that I have something because if I didn't, I would already be heading back to my position behind the plate. We are there to get every call correct, if we can, but if he ignores or doesn't pick up on my body language here, then there's nothing else I would do.

Great idea!! Inconspicuous but effective!

This is my standard method and one that I always pre-game.

[th3]

sometimes i forget where i'm supposed to be!

[Mike Prince]

sometimes i forget where i'm supposed to be!

Haha - then your partner will be coming to you often asking "what the hell do you want?"

[dumbdumb]

As long as the situation was being straight-lined, it is OK to get help but this should happen very few times, and somewhere I read someone said they could count on one hand the times that has happened in 20-25 years. If this is just a player coming off the bag too soon, that is what the base umpire is there for. The base umpire should not be following the ball into the glove. He should follow the ball to see if the throw is on line, but then turn to pick up the fielders foot, the runners foot, and listen for the pop of the ball hitting the glove. If the foot is not on the bag when the ball pops the glove, then the fielder came off the bag. If the foot is on the bag when the ball pops the glove then the fielder was on the bag. If you become straight-line and cannot see the foot at all, you would then go for help. However, if this is happening more than a handful of times over 20-25 years, you would probably need some help from somebody in your area like MST and others on the board to show you how not to get straight-lined all the time.

Just like on the double play at second, coming off the bag is for the base umpire to decide whether the fielder is on the bag or off the bag when the ball hits the glove. It is a yes or no decision that doesn't require running for help all the time. Just like a bang bang play at first. That is the BU call to make. Do not go to your partner. How do you know your partner is right from 90 feet or more away on a banger at first. Even when you have nobody on base and the PU follows the batter runner up to the 45 foot line, the BU is still closer on a banger and does not need help from his partner. Make the call.

Why do we have trouble with seeing the fielder touching the bag or not, but we do not have trouble seeing the runner touching the bag or not. Just asking.

And no, I am not busting on your question th3, just making some observations from a lot of reading.

[Mr Umpire]

I do nothing different for every play. If anyone notices an umpire does something different as little as it may be, they may jump on it as "Ask your partner" moment. I do the same thing and no one knows anything different.

It is my partner's call, not mine. Not even my place to indicate I have something different than what you called. I am not working out any pre-game signals for this. Either he has it all and sticks with it or he comes to me and we talk about it, completely his decision with no feeling of obligation to come to me whatsoever b/c I think I have "additional information" for him. I let him do his job his way and I do mine my way.

[Mr Umpire]

Why do we have trouble with seeing the fielder touching the bag or not, but we do not have trouble seeing the runner touching the bag or not. Just asking.

I don't see the runner touching the base. I try not to. I hear it.