2 <acronym title='Federation Rules (High School)'>FED</acronym> test balk questions

[th3]

(is there a particular place where we discuss particular questions on this years tests?)

F1, while on the pitchers plate, in either the windup or set position (a) adjusts his cap, or (B) shakes off the signal with his glove, or © shakes off the signal with his head.

1 of these motions is illegal

2 of these motions are illegal

all illegal

all legal

Is b the only one thats illegal becuase the others are not motions that are a normal part of his delivery?

AND

F1 can be called for a balk because he moves his head

true

false

((i assume this is true but is an odd question)

thanks..we have 50 questions in NJ and we got together last night and were able to answer all but a few with rule cites...i wasnt sure about the two above and about another that i posted before that said

"the infracting team can never benefit from the umpire's award"

true or false...

[Richvee]

(is there a particular place where we discuss particular questions on this years tests?)

F1, while on the pitchers plate, in either the windup or set position (a) adjusts his cap, or ( B) shakes off the signal with his glove, or © shakes off the signal with his head.

1 of these motions is illegal

2 of these motions are illegal

all illegal

all legal

Is b the only one thats illegal becuase the others are not motions that are a normal part of his delivery?

AND

F1 can be called for a balk because he moves his head

true

false

((i assume this is true but is an odd question)

thanks..we have 50 questions in NJ and we got together last night and were able to answer all but a few with rule cites...i wasnt sure about the two above and about another that i posted before that said

"the infracting team can never benefit from the umpire's award"

true or false...

I'm attending a study group tomorrow night.

As for the first question, check out case book 6.1.2d

F1, while on the pitcher's plate in either the windup or set position, (a) adjusts his cap or (B) shakes off the signal with his glove, or © shakes off the signal with his head.

RULING: In (a) through ©, these are legal actions if these movements of the arms and legs are not associated with the pitch.

The other 2 I hope we discuss tomorrow. I don't think the "infracting" team can benefit, and I don't think you can balk with the head only. It would have to involve shoulder movement, or some other part of the pitcher starting and stopping. Nothing illegal about F1 moving his head quickly back and forth between home and a R2, as long as his shoulders and or body isn't turning along with his head.

[Richvee]

Then there's this one that bugs me because all 3 answers are wrong from what I can tell...

F1 goes to his mouth while in contact with the pitcher's plate.

a. Legal

b. A ball is assessed to the batter REGARDLESS of whether anyone was on base or not.

c. Issue a warning and the ball remains alive.

Obviously a and c are wrong, but the case book says b is not right either.....

NFHS.arbitersports.com/Front/105401/Rules/Book?rulebookid=84a3fd7c-1173-4b83-8c68-de530b79c3b7'>6.2.1 SITUATION B

With R1 at first, F1 places his pitching hand on his mouth and distinctly wipes off his pitching hand prior to touching the ball (a) while not touching the pitcher's plate or (B) while touching the pitcher's plate in the set position.

RULING: Legal in (a). In (B), the pitcher has balked and R1 is awarded second base. (NFHS.arbitersports.com/Front/105401/Rules/Book?rulebookid=84a3fd7c-1173-4b83-8c68-de530b79c3b7'>6-1-3)

[mstaylor]

6.2.1 Situation A is what makes B correct. The question doesn't say he is set, it says wind-up or set position, which in FED means the stretch position.

[Richvee]

6.2.1 Situation A is what makes B correct. The question doesn't say he is set, it says wind-up or set position, which in FED means the stretch position.

This case is no runner on base. This issue confuses me. Then 6.1.3 sit. o, says it's a balk with runners on base in contact with the rubber but has not come set. Then it goes on to say it's a balk because he needs to go to the set position without interruption and in one continuous motion.....and then 6.1.2 d says he can adjust his hat from the set position?? What am I missing?

[th3]

can you explain exactly what you mean by "which in FED means the stretch position"...when the pitcher is bent over with his hand hanging down or behind is back, what do you (and FED) call that? and then when he comes up set, what do you (and FED) call that?

and back to rich's casebook answer...so if the pitcher is set (after he has come set) he can shake off the signal with his glove? I guess as the umpire you're calling the balk if anything looked to you like he was starting his motion and then he doesnt start his motion...so in that context it makes sense

[Richvee]

Hopefully, i have this right, because if I don't, I've got a lot to re-learn

"the set position" foot on the rubber, pitching hand at his side or behind his back, etc.

"Pitcher comes set" means he's now at his "stop" after the stretch.

So, from the set position, he can wipe off a sign with his glove, head, or adjust his cap legally,. 6.1.2 sit. d

what I don't understand is, how come adjusting his cap isn't considered starting his pitching motion like it says in 6.1.3 sit. o

[mstaylor]

can you explain exactly what you mean by "which in FED means the stretch position"...when the pitcher is bent over with his hand hanging down or behind is back, what do you (and FED) call that? and then when he comes up set, what do you (and FED) call that?

and back to rich's casebook answer...so if the pitcher is set (after he has come set) he can shake off the signal with his glove? I guess as the umpire you're calling the balk if anything looked to you like he was starting his motion and then he doesnt start his motion...so in that context it makes sense

....bent over with his hand hanging down..... This is what FED calls the set position. Then he must in a continuous motion come to a set position. So you start in the set position and go to the set position. Clear that right up, right?

[th3]

but really he's going from the stretch to the set right?

[th3]

richvee then are you saying that we can do all that stuff from the "set" but not the "stop"?

[Richvee]

richvee then are you saying that we can do all that stuff from the "set" but not the "stop"?

Right. He can do those things from the set position. That's before the stretch and the stop.

[gobama84]

Then there's this one that bugs me because all 3 answers are wrong from what I can tell...

F1 goes to his mouth while in contact with the pitcher's plate.

a. Legal

b. A ball is assessed to the batter REGARDLESS of whether anyone was on base or not.

c. Issue a warning and the ball remains alive.

Obviously a and c are wrong, but the case book says b is not right either.....

6.2.1 SITUATION B

With R1 at first, F1 places his pitching hand on his mouth and distinctly wipes off his pitching hand prior to touching the ball (a) while not touching the pitcher's plate or ( B) while touching the pitcher's plate in the set position.

RULING: Legal in (a). In ( B), the pitcher has balked and R1 is awarded second base. (6-1-3)

6.2.1 Situation A is what makes B correct. The question doesn't say he is set, it says wind-up or set position, which in FED means the stretch position.

How can B ever be correct when it says REGARDLESS of whether anyone was on base or not. If there is no runner it is a ball on the batter, and with a runner it is a balk.

[noumpere]

6.2.1 Situation A is what makes B correct. The question doesn't say he is set, it says wind-up or set position, which in FED means the stretch position.

This case is no runner on base. This issue confuses me. Then 6.1.3 sit. o, says it's a balk with runners on base in contact with the rubber but has not come set. Then it goes on to say it's a balk because he needs to go to the set position without interruption and in one continuous motion.....and then 6.1.2 d says he can adjust his hat from the set position?? What am I missing?

I can see I'm gonna have to priotize and find my rules and case books amongst all this junk here, but here's a brief history as I recall it.

First, case 6.1.2d used to say it was a balk to adjust the hat even before coming set.

Then, FED put in a rule about going to the mouth and to be consistent they said going to the mouth was the same as adjusting the hat so it should be a balk.

Then FED changed the going to the hat ruling to conform with other codes that allowed it.

But FED didn't also change the ruling about going to the mouth.

Some states though have a different rule on going to the mouth and if richvee is in one of those states then answer b could be correct.

[Richvee]

Thanks. That makes sense. Hard for a guy who's only in his 3rd year of FED ball to know this without a little "rules history" lesson. As far as NJ goes, we have no different rules on this as far as I know.

I guess B is still the "right" answer by default. Actually it's more like the "least wrong" answer.

[th3]

richvee - im in jersey also (not too far from you - maybe we've worked together!)...anyway - in contact with the pitchers plate, can they go to the mouth if they wipe or not?

[gobama84]

richvee - im in jersey also (not too far from you - maybe we've worked together!)...anyway - in contact with the pitchers plate, can they go to the mouth if they wipe or not?

2012 Case Book 6.1.3Situation O. It is a balk if he goes to his mouth while in contact with the pitcher's plate, if there is a runner. If no runner, then it is a ball on the batter..

[LMSANS]

richvee - im in jersey also (not too far from you - maybe we've worked together!)...anyway - in contact with the pitchers plate, can they go to the mouth if they wipe or not?

The interpretor from my organization wrote the test. He was trying to make sure everybody was forced to read the books, i.e., rules, Umpire Manual, casebook and the state handbook. He succeeded in putting together an ambiguous and frustrating test.

[Richvee]

richvee - im in jersey also (not too far from you - maybe we've worked together!)...anyway - in contact with the pitchers plate, can they go to the mouth if they wipe or not?

The interpretor from my organization wrote the test. He was trying to make sure everybody was forced to read the books, i.e., rules, Umpire Manual, casebook and the state handbook. He succeeded in putting together an ambiguous and frustrating test.

I think he wrote some great questions. It's the answers I've got a problem with. There were a number of questions I knew the answer to, but got confused picking the 'right" answer.

[Richvee]

richvee - im in jersey also (not too far from you - maybe we've worked together!)...anyway - in contact with the pitchers plate, can they go to the mouth if they wipe or not?

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