Larry in TN

The official scorer is tasked by rule 10.06 with determining the value of the hit. If the defense played with "ordinary effort" would they have been able to put the batter out at 2B? If so, it was a single. Could they have put him out at 3B? If so, a double, etc. If they could have put him out at 2B, for example, but attempted a play on another runner and that allowed him to reach 2B then it would be a single with an advance to 2B on a fielder's choice. Rule 10 covers the rules of scoring. 10.06 is Determining Value of Base Hits. OBR Rule 10: http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp Little League has it's own version of Rule 10. It is their What's the Score? publication. Determining Value of Base Hits is rule 10.07 in the LL publication. http://www.eteamz.com/alamedalittleleague/files/2014ScoreKeepingClinic-What'sTheScore.pdf

Well, I don't have access to FED rules (unless they are available online like OBR?) so I'm stuck with OBR and my LL rule book. That's why I asked.

Was he talking about this rule? 8.05 - If there is a runner, or runners, it is a balk when -- (i) The pitcher, without having the ball, stands on or astride the pitchers plate or while off the plate, he feints a pitch;

Especially when that umpire is already so busy disintegrating, himself...

Not sure if this has been posted before but I just love the last line at the bottom! A guess that'll be a pinch-runner, then? Relativistic Baseball: https://what-if.xkcd.com/1/

You put that in quotes but that is not in the definition of OBS. The definition includes the phrase "impedes the progress" which, by the description given, it sounds like F3 did. What you quoted would seem to apply to a situation where a fielder might be blocking a base. Am I reading the sitch wrong?

Thanks. That makes a lot more sense.

I was trying to figure out the proper award on this situation. Since this was the first throw shouldn't the award have been two bases from time of pitch? R1 to 3B, BR to 2B? What do I have wrong?

7.10 - Any runner shall be called out on appeal if-- [...] NOTE 2: If a pitcher makes an illegal pitch (a balk in Intermediate (50-70) division/Junior/Senior/Big League Baseball) when making an appeal, such as shall be a play. An appeal should be clearly intended as an appeal, either by a verbal request by the player or an act that unmistakably indicates an appeal to the umpire. A player, inadvertently stepping on the base with a ball in hand, would not constitute an appeal. The ball must be alive and in play. I don't think it is saying that the normal appeal mechanics can be replaced by a verbal appeal. It is saying that the appeal must be clearly intended as an appeal, not just a player touching the base with the ball. The touching the base, or runner, with the ball is still required. OBR has essentially the same language: 7.10 - Any runner shall be called out on appeal if-- [...] An appeal should be clearly intended as an appeal, either by a verbal request by the player or an act that unmistakably indicates an appeal to the umpire. A player, inadvertently stepping on the base with a ball in his hand, would not constitute an appeal. Time is not out when an appeal is being made.

Thanks...

Is the phrase "and not in the act of fielding the ball" included in the OBS definition under FED as it is in OBR? Thanks...

This wikipedia page is useful for reviewing the rules from establishing the pitchers of record. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Win%E2%80%93loss_record_(pitching) The official answer, of course, is in rule 10.00. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp 10.17 (d) A losing pitcher is a pitcher who is responsible for the run that gives the winning team a lead that the winning team does not relinquish. Rule 10.17(d) Comment: Whenever the score is tied, the game becomes a new contest insofar as the losing pitcher is concerned. The short answer is that the losing pitcher is the pitcher who allowed the final go-ahead run to reach base. Doesn't matter how that run reached base.

I saw that play, too, but didn't realize it was the same player. (Don't normally watch the Reds but that's the game that was on...)

So what did I do wrong that prevented the link from being embedded? I tried to follow the directions in the video (sticky post) but the MLB site had changed from the example and the URL was shorter.

That's why I thought but wasn't sure how it was applied immediately after the ball is hit. Looked like the right call to me, I just wasn't sure what the BR should have done to avoid it (other than lay down a better bunt!) The batter was looking at/for the ball. What if the bunt had gone fair but generally toward 1B? In such a case a BR who did start running right away could still be in the catcher's way. It's a fair batted ball so the runner is still responsible for staying out of the way so it would still be an out for INT? And I agree about the announcers. No clue.

Is this a case where the BR has to disappear to avoid INT? http://m.mlb.com/video/v32120611

Wouldn't there also be the third option of the runner crossing, but not touching, the plate which would result in a safe signal with the runner then in jeopardy of being put out on appeal?

While watching this I'm wondering what he's saying to the umpire in such an animated fashion? Washington: "You are right! Your call was RIGHT! You got the call exactly right!" Umpire: "Yes, you're right; I was right, but you're ejected for saying so!" Who would have thunk it?

Yeah, and imagine how well they'd do at it if the broadcasters actually knew the rules!

I was watching the game when that review happened. It's amazing how a bang-bang play becomes a baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang-baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag play in super slow motion and you still can barely tell which "bang" occurred first. I think the biggest change that is needed in the reply rule is something to address the long delays while the manager is waiting for word on whether or not he should challenge. Maybe take the managers out of it and go to a booth-review system like they use in the last 2 minutes in NFL games? Once the challenge is made, the system is getting it right much more often than it gets it wrong. Just need to speed up the process a bit.

It was an interesting series. Lots of hits. Lots of runs. Lots of unusual situations.

If you're talking about Little League rules, it is rule VI - PITCHERS: (a) Any player on a regular season team may pitch. Exception: Any player, who has played the position of catcher if four (4) or more innings in a game, is not eligible to pitch on that calendar day. (Pg 37 in 2013 rule book, pg 40 in 2014 book)

We have a vintage league in the Nashville area. Haven't made it out to a game yet but I intend to... http://tennesseevintagebaseball.com/

Little League rule VI - PITCHERS: "(b) A pitcher once removed from the mound cannot return as a pitcher. Intermediate (50-70) division, Junior, Senior and Big League Divisions only: A pitcher remaining in the game, but moving to a different position, can return as a pitcher anytime in the remainder of the game, but only once per game." Page 37 in the 2013 rule book, page 40 in the 2014 book.

I noticed that as well. NYC is sending the result (Confirmed/Stands/Overturned) as well as identifying the definitive angle to the park and broadcast crew. Haven't seen anything detailing how that information is sent but that must be how the announcers found out so quickly.