AZump78

What ever happened to those guys? They were putting up tons of content there at first...

Sell the shirts (on this forum or eBay), recoup some cash. Keep or sell the mask, move on lesson learned. Why keep beating your head against a wall... Oh-welcome and have a great season!

Sorry, but I'm moving on too Jocko. Being wrong is their prerogative.

You are right Moto-doesn't make a whole lotta sense.

Real simple: At the time of the touch (or miss), was the runner, at that exact moment, (still) being forced to that base. How hard is that to understand?

You aren't calling it, you are echoing it. So it files in the face of nothing. And the argument is that is sells the call, and that is 1000% true. Your example of the coach coming out on you would never happen, because your partner would handle it as soon as he steps on the field. Oh and by the way, if someone above you like an evaluator, or MLB umpire says to do it, with or without a reason you agree with, it would be wise to do it. They are trying to help you get better.

JM-if they don't get it by now, they never will.

Andrew, who would it take from a umpire/instructor perspective to bring you around that echoing a balk is the proper thing to do? If Jim Evans or Hunter W or someone like that said all the same points listed above as to WHY you should do it, would you then cede the point? Just curious why you would be so steadfast when the reasons have already been clearly spelled out by fellow umpires on this board who have been fortunate to have been taught this firsthand by the best umpires on planet Earth...

I once heard Paul N say the exact same. Call strikes. If its close enough to have to "think" about, you should prob just call it. Unless of course you are on TV.

Refer to posts 13, 19, 20, 22 for the benefits.

Huh-thought I saw him on a highlight from Seattle. Anyway, thanks Gil.

Pretty sure he got some games last year.

Ha! Good one.

^^my 18 month old's first post!^^

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Jock, love you man but this post is total horse$hit. First, when in Rome? Heck, strive to be at a higher standard. Just cause they wear polyester pants doesn't mean you have to look equally bad. Last I checked appearance matters. Second, I don't want to hear anyone say they can't afford them. You MAKE MONEY umpiring. This isn't like being a golfer, fisherman or hunter. Take a check from a Friday nite of a weekend tourney and buy one pair of good pants. Take the check from that extra game your assigner asked you to stick around for that wasn't on your original schedule and set it aside to invest in yourself. Be a professional, even if working a 12U game. Strive to a higher standard than the masses of crappy umpires out there. Be different. BTW, I worked prob 175 games this year. All of them wearing THREE pairs of poly wools. Two base and one plate. I dry cleaned them twice and dried them in my dryer after every day of use. They still look great.

Tell them the sky is blue and watch the pages of follow up posts pile up...

News flash: If you actually genuinely like wearing GD pants, the first sentence in Kyle's post refers to YOU!

grayhawk posted an answer from Wendelstedt back on page 2. Yet-for some unknown reason-it just doesn't sink in for some. Here it is boys. The never ending thread.

Yes it is. See NFHS 7-4-1f. I am not going to open that can of worms but it is discussed in the ABUA link above posted by basejester. Nope, this is incorrect. 7-4-1f says: "A batter is also out as in above penalty or when: any member of the offensive team or coach other than the runner(s) interferes with a fielder who is attempting to field a foul fly ball;" Notice it specifically excludes runners. Noted-Thanks for correcting. J/R quoted the NFHS rule using the term "offensive personnel" and did not exclude runners. This is why I steer clear on FED discussion!

Boy you got that right. NCAA to round this one out?

Ok, one final wrinkle. I am going to direct this one at UmpTTS43 since he seems pretty experienced. UmpTTS you are the crew chief and working first base on a weekend series. This situation occurs but the ball lands in fair territory on what would have been a textbook IFF. Your young but promising plate umpire call "Interference!" on R3 before anyone calls IFF. He says "Interference, thats interference!" but never the word "TIME". Your 3rd base guy then calls IFF, and is then echoed by your PU. Once ball hits ground, PU calls time, points at and declares R3 out, and then points at and declares the BR out on IFF. Offensive coach comes out steaming since he now has two outs in what looked to be a very promising situation (bases loaded, no outs). He "WTF"s your PU about 8x, and after initially standing his ground, agrees to talk it over with the crew. You huddle up with you partners. I'd love to hear you take it step by step from here...

I don't see it as egg on face and doubt anyone else here does either.

OBR. A batter hits a pop up in fair territory halfway up the first base line. The pitcher camps under the ball when the first base coach yells loudly "I GOT IT!" from his coaching box. The pitcher, thinking it was his first baseman calling for the ball, clears out and the ball lands and settles in fair territory. Everyone stops and looks at you. What do you do? :HS

That is a very good point about keeping the ball live as long as possible b/c of the different awards. I see HDS's point, he's a sharp guy, but its not backed up by a rule, approved ruling, or interpretation, making it incorrect. If there was a protest-you would lose! And since we are talking about OBR and NCAA rules in this situation, you might even get fired!!! Unlike a MLB crew at a Dodger game, we amateur umpires aren't allowed (nor are we qualified) to create interps on the fly. If someone can provide something in print supporting the use of a delayed dead ball for certain runner interference situations, I'll gladly stand corrected.