MANAGER Hit by Pitch During Ejection Tantrum

[Lindsay]

Quebec Capitales' manager was hit by a pitch thrown by his pitcher, on purpose, after being ejected by HP Umpire Jordan Alfonso of the Frontier League. Patrick Scalabrini's antics followed Ottawa Titans batter Jackie Urbaez's hit-by-pitch in the 9th inning, Urbaez's fourth HBP of the game.

Scalabrini's lively demonstration suggests an argument concerning whether Urbaez should have really had four HBPs, or whether he failed to follow the rule that would require he attempt to avoid the pitch.

Official Baseball Rule 5.05(b)(2) states, "The batter becomes a runner and is entitled to first base without liability to be put out (provided he advances to and touches first base) when they are touched by a pitched ball which they are not attempting to hit unless (A) The ball is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, or (B) The batter makes no attempt to avoid being touched by the ball."

If the pitch is in the strike zone when it touches the batter, it is a dead ball strike, and if the pitch is out of the zone and touches the batter who makes no attempt to avoid being touched, it is a ball (no award of first base). The batter only gets the base award if they make an attempt to avoid a ball.

Meanwhile, in college, NCAA Rule 7-4-i awards a strike if the batter "is judged to intentionally make a movement to be hit by a pitch, regardless of where the pitch is located; or allows themself to be intentionally hit by a pitch that is not thrown within the boundaries of the batter’s box unless it was not possible to avoid being hit."

High School (NFHS 8-1-d) is similar to professional ball: "If the batter permits the pitched ball to touch oneself (7-3-4), or if the umpire calls the pitched ball a strike, the hitting of the batter is disregarded except that the ball is dead. It is a strike or ball depending on location of the pitch."

Video as follows:
Alternate Link: Manager demonstrates how he thought Urbaez leaned into his 4th HBP

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[Baseballer]

So my question is why did the pitcher not get ejected for participating in his manager's charades after being ejected?

[dumbdumb]

1 hour ago, Baseballer said:

So my question is why did the pitcher not get ejected for participating in his manager's charades after being ejected?

now you are getting into a specific area that could be like the discussion going on about 'how did we get here' in mechanics section, but specifically on the who, what, when, where why of ejection competence.

maybe the umpire would have, but there is a  'keep them in the game' undercurrent/underpinning to all level of sports now, where the tie goes to the (player, and on up the heirarchy AC, HC/manager) with issues of deportment, compared to the bad old days of egotistical, headline seeking, force yourself into the game umpire. the game is not about you the umpire, it is about everyone else on the field. once again, there is an inflection point in all deportment--visual/showing you up, verbal (personal profanity), and time (length of argument) limits in which for better or worse, you just have to umpire, when a casebook play just cannot be written up or the casebook would be so big/voluminous (is that a word?), you could never get out of the classroom and onto the field to even play or umpire an athletic event, because you are playing, 'but what if' all your life.

[The Man in Blue]

9 hours ago, Baseballer said:

So my question is why did the pitcher not get ejected for participating in his manager's charades after being ejected?

That was my … well, ONE OF my first thoughts as well.

I’m iffy on that (I want more “game temperature” than the video gives us) … but I would count it as one of his warm up throws.

 

In NCAA, would the coach be considered a prop? 🤔

[Biscuit]

1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

That was my … well, ONE OF my first thoughts as well.

I’m iffy on that (I want more “game temperature” than the video gives us) … but I would count it as one of his warm up throws.

 

In NCAA, would the coach be considered a prop? 🤔

The prop comment got a good chuckle out of me. 

(Now responding more to dumbdumb)

I'd say that this situation had kinda spiraled out of control, so it could be beneficial to try to wrangle it back under control, more specifically, take control of the situation away from the manager. "Don't throw that ball!" And if he does, eject him. It might slightly raise thetemperature, usually the exact opposite of what we're trying to do, but it also would probably be in the form of the manager arguing about the second ejection, at least moving us on (and removing control of the situation from his hands). 

(Hypothetical mind reading that we don't have nearly enough info to determine whether it is good or not incomong) Other than that, I could see the pitcher not wanting to get involved, but being kinda exasperated and not knowing what to do. If his manager tells him to throw the ball... Well, he doesn't want his manager mad at him later. If the umpire tells him not to, now he has a reason to not do it.