Earned runs question

[Guest Steve G]

 

A pitcher is replaced after he walks a batter. The new pitcher walks 2 more batters, and loads the bases. The next play, the batter gets a hit to short stop who throws it home to get the runner on 3 rd base out at home plate. The next batter hits a double and scores 2 runs.  Who are those  runs charged to?
 

[rcjhyman]

The P who put the runners on base owns the runs.

[beerguy55]

58 minutes ago, Guest Steve G said:

 

A pitcher is replaced after he walks a batter. The new pitcher walks 2 more batters, and loads the bases. The next play, the batter gets a hit to short stop who throws it home to get the runner on 3 rd base out at home plate. The next batter hits a double and scores 2 runs.  Who are those  runs charged to?
 

A pitcher is responsible for the runners he puts on base.   If that first runner had scored, it would go to the previous pitcher.  After that, he's off the hook.

[urout17]

And the formula....Earned runs X 9 / innings pitched.

[Senor Azul]

It actually would be one run charged to the first pitcher and one run charged to the second pitcher because of rule 9.16(g) and its following comment.

2021 OBR rule 9.16

(g) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the Official Scorer shall not charge the relief pitcher with any run (earned or unearned) scored by a runner who was on base at the time such relief pitcher entered the game, nor for runs scored by any runner who reaches base on a fielder’s choice that puts out a runner left on base by any preceding pitcher.

Rule 9.16(g) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 9.16(g) to charge each pitcher with the number of runners he put on base, rather than with the individual runners. When a pitcher puts runners on base and is relieved, such pitcher shall be charged with all runs subsequently scored up to and including the number of runners such pitcher left on base when such pitcher left the game, unless such runners are put out without action by the batter (i.e., caught stealing, picked off base or called out for interference when a batter-runner does not reach first base on the play). For example:

(2) Peter is pitching. Abel reaches first base on a base on balls. Roger relieves Peter. Baker forces Abel at second base. Charlie grounds out, advancing Baker to second base. Daniel singles, scoring Baker. Baker’s run is charged to Peter.

(3) Peter is pitching. Abel reaches first base on a base on balls. Roger relieves Peter. Baker singles, advancing Abel to third base. Charlie grounds to short, with Abel out at home plate and Baker advancing to second base. Daniel flies out. Edward singles, scoring Baker. Baker’s run is charged to Peter.

[beerguy55]

6 minutes ago, Senor Azul said:

It actually would be one run charged to the first pitcher and one run charged to the second pitcher because of rule 9.16(g) and its following comment.

2021 OBR rule 9.16

(g) When pitchers are changed during an inning, the Official Scorer shall not charge the relief pitcher with any run (earned or unearned) scored by a runner who was on base at the time such relief pitcher entered the game, nor for runs scored by any runner who reaches base on a fielder’s choice that puts out a runner left on base by any preceding pitcher.

Rule 9.16(g) Comment: It is the intent of Rule 9.16(g) to charge each pitcher with the number of runners he put on base, rather than with the individual runners. When a pitcher puts runners on base and is relieved, such pitcher shall be charged with all runs subsequently scored up to and including the number of runners such pitcher left on base when such pitcher left the game, unless such runners are put out without action by the batter (i.e., caught stealing, picked off base or called out for interference when a batter-runner does not reach first base on the play). For example:

(2) Peter is pitching. Abel reaches first base on a base on balls. Roger relieves Peter. Baker forces Abel at second base. Charlie grounds out, advancing Baker to second base. Daniel singles, scoring Baker. Baker’s run is charged to Peter.

(3) Peter is pitching. Abel reaches first base on a base on balls. Roger relieves Peter. Baker singles, advancing Abel to third base. Charlie grounds to short, with Abel out at home plate and Baker advancing to second base. Daniel flies out. Edward singles, scoring Baker. Baker’s run is charged to Peter.

Well, you learn something new every day.  I sit corrected.   It is certainly much more equitable.