Red Sox vs Blue Jays - Missed Base & Missed Appeal

[Lindsay]

Saturday's #RedSox-#BlueJays game in Toronto featured an interesting Replay Review challenge care of Blue Jays manager Charlie Montoyo after Red Sox batter-runner Alex Verdugo appeared to miss first base as Jays 1B Lourdes Gurriel also missed the base, at least initially. Appeal play says...

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[beerguy55]

I was yelling at the TV on this one as the announcers, of course, didn't have a clue.

 

On the obstruction point - did MLB (or the umpires) specifically rule that the Jays didn't appeal in time...or upon replay review did they determine it was obstruction?  Or both?   My understanding is once replay review happens they look at the entirety of the play, do they not?   (this would be more efficient, instead of, for example, having the call overturned to out and THEN having Boston asking to review for OBS...which, since the initial call was safe, they wouldn't need to review)...unless, of course, obstruction isn't reviewable.

 

(which creates a paradox for the first base ump...who, upon seeing a safe call at first has no reason to call OBS)...this is similar to a problem NFL had with the early days of replay review...you could review whether the receiver was in/out of bounds on a catch, but couldn't review if he was pushed out by the defender (no longer a thing)...so, if you had an official rule a catch, he had no reason to rule that the player had been pushed...but on replay it clearly showed the receiver was pushed, and landed out of bounds....call overturned.

 

Case in point to the "why don't the umpires explain it via mic like in NFL and NHL".

 

And, of course, these broadcast crews REALLY need rules experts on staff.

[Catch18]

I was yelling at the TV on this one as the announcers, of course, didn't have a clue.
 
On the obstruction point - did MLB (or the umpires) specifically rule that the Jays didn't appeal in time...or upon replay review did they determine it was obstruction?  Or both?   My understanding is once replay review happens they look at the entirety of the play, do they not?   (this would be more efficient, instead of, for example, having the call overturned to out and THEN having Boston asking to review for OBS...which, since the initial call was safe, they wouldn't need to review)...unless, of course, obstruction isn't reviewable.
 
(which creates a paradox for the first base ump...who, upon seeing a safe call at first has no reason to call OBS)...this is similar to a problem NFL had with the early days of replay review...you could review whether the receiver was in/out of bounds on a catch, but couldn't review if he was pushed out by the defender (no longer a thing)...so, if you had an official rule a catch, he had no reason to rule that the player had been pushed...but on replay it clearly showed the receiver was pushed, and landed out of bounds....call overturned.
 
Case in point to the "why don't the umpires explain it via mic like in NFL and NHL".
 
And, of course, these broadcast crews REALLY need rules experts on staff.

My kingdom for Dale Scott sitting in an adjacent booth telling 2 announcers their FoxSports(insert city name) strike zone overlay is horse****.


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[Mussgrass]

Does anyone else feel kind of smug when you watch this kind of thing and know the rules, while the announcers, players and coaches all have no clue?

[Catch18]

Does anyone else feel kind of smug when you watch this kind of thing and know the rules, while the announcers, players and coaches all have no clue?

Umpires? Smug? Never……


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[maven]

20 minutes ago, Mussgrass said:

Does anyone else feel kind of smug when you watch this kind of thing and know the rules, while the announcers, players and coaches all have no clue?

No. Sad, yes; smug, no. 

Every TV play-by-play guy should have to do a week-long clinic for pro umpires (if not pro school). Bruce Weber did it about 15 years ago and wrote a good book about it (LINK here; 35-minute radio INTERVIEW here).

[Catch18]

No. Sad, yes; smug, no. 
Every TV play-by-play guy should have to do a week-long clinic for pro umpires (if not pro school). Bruce Weber did it about 15 years ago and wrote a good book about it (LINK here; 35-minute radio INTERVIEW here).

Excellent book, Maven.

I want to read the book about Max McLeary, an umpire who lost sight in 1 eye and made his way back to pro ball and ended up with a good amateur and collegiate career.


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