Triple and an error

[goody14]

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/16285926/v576298483/?game_pk=446900

Watch the runner carefully. He slides headfirst into the backside of 3B. As he gets up he is behind 3B - behind as in towards left field.

Then as he is awarded home, he walks back past 3B and does not touch it.

Would he be out on proper appeal?

I vaguely remember discussing a similar play last year and the rules gurus said he would not out on appeal in OBR but would be in FED. Am I remembering this correctly?

[scrounge]

He clearly touched 3B with his left hand...to me he is legally occupying 3B at the time the ball became dead. So not really seeing the issue in this particular case.

But in general, let's say he hadn't. Then yes, he'd be subject to appeal in FED. A really weenie appeal IMO, but just because it offends my sensibilities doesn't mean I wouldn't call it.

[maven]

What does his positioning have to do with it? If he misses 3B, then he's liable to be out on appeal. Otherwise, not.

A touch during a dead-ball award counts as a touch.

[goody14]

Found the old thread:

Near the end the thread branches off into a discussion of whether a runner who goes behind 3B has to retouch.

The one difference is that the plays being discussed in the thread all start with an R3. In that instance he cannot legally retreat so the argument was he would not have to retouch third if he went behind. In this play, the runner started at the plate.

It would have been an interesting appeal.

[ricka56]

The runner didn't really run past the base. He just took his hand off the base with his body on the LF side of the base. I would guess that there wouldn't be an on-field umpire in all of MLB that would grant that appeal. And if they sent it to replay and the NY umpire was forced to go by the letter of the rule, he'd be holding his nose allowing that appeal.

That play is not what the rule is for (the real reason that it wasn't appealed). Allowing an appeal like that is how an umpire quickly turns a game to $#!+

[grayhawk]

How is what he did any different than a runner simply rounding third base and touching the outfield edge of the bag with his foot?  No way should an appeal be upheld in the OP.

[maven]

3 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

How is what he did any different than a runner simply rounding third base and touching the outfield edge of the bag with his foot?  No way should an appeal be upheld in the OP.

Agree. Touched in the course of passing.

Retreating behind the base must be a distinct action to warrant an application of "last time by": it must be a distinct "time."