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I was thinking about this in response to this play, as well as to a similar "off the bag" call in the Mets-Phillies game Monday. In a non-replay situation, a manager would come to "get help" from the plate umpire, and that's perfectly allowed. In fact, it's something we've all been taught to get help for. The same would be true for getting together on a home run question -- even in the 2009-2013 era, umpires would voluntarily consult the replay when there was even the hint of a home run question. 

But now, the routine seems to be "make the call, stick with the call, and force the manager to burn a challenge." It seems odd to me that this should change the dynamics. Has MLB instructed umpires to avoid the "get together and let the manager escalate" practice that one would think would be the logical step? 

Just looking for all of your thoughts here. 

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I think the way they do it is to make the call - get the complaint - get together - go to review.

At Fenway last year - had 3 replays , they all got together before each one.

I think the replay is making very good umpires better! They now are being reviewed (no longer there for life) and rated. They have to stay good or get even better to survive t that level, lot of good umps coming up through the ranks to take their spots.

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One thing I would never do as a pro ump now is give a hard sell on a call.  I know that is a part of the culture coming up...but there is zero reason to get excited on a close one.  Just make the call and set the wheels in motion.  Even if you are right, they are going to challenge anyway...so no need to try and use your body language or voice with a hard sell to show confidence.  If you are wrong, you are just going to look like a DA.

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​And replay overturns show that sometimes the managers are correct.

 

​ok...I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise or making any comment on which 'side' is more right than the other

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​ok...I don't think anyone is arguing otherwise or making any comment on which 'side' is more right than the other

​Perhaps not, but it's a natural conversational path for this subject because it shows with transparency the accuracy of the umpires.

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No sense in getting together as a crew if there is replay available. Just wastes more time. 

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Sometimes a group discussion is required, like here.

Most times, why ask the other 3 who might have saw something for an instant? Why not ask the guy who can watch it multiple times, at multiple angles, with slo-mo.

As far as burning a challenge, I think the MLB umpires have been gracious to go to IR even if the team has no challenge available to them.

I think they are just spending the down-time judiciously.


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