Double Run-Down

[Blueump]

Fed Rules:

R2 & R3 with 2 out.  R3 gets in a run-down between 3rd base and home.  R2 is creeping toward 3rd base.  R3 is obstructed by F1 who is still standing in the baseline after participating in the pickle. Ultimately R3 slides back into 3rd safely...but the action is not finished!  Now they have R2 caught between 2nd and 3rd, and R2 is tagged for the 3rd out. 

I know this is a delayed dead ball, so wait till all the action has ceased, but do you award R3 home and count the run?  Does the out on R2 stand?

[maven]

R3 is awarded home. R2's out stands, unless you judge that he was affected by the OBS (which is doubtful, but I didn't see it, and the timing matters).

R3's score is a time play, so it sounds as if it wouldn't count. Remember, an award is the right to advance legally without liability to be put out: there's no guarantee of a score, and since the third out was made before the score, it does not count.

[jpperez14]

I am curious to while R2 was in a pickle, why didn't R3 run home? if they focused on to R2, unless he was tagged within the time it would take for him to slide and get back up.

[DevildogUmp]

Once R3 was obstructed in the run down, kill the play with Type A obstruction. You have a runner being obstructed while being played on. No outs. Score R3, place R2 where you judge he would have been, I would probably put him back at second if he was just creeping off the bag when the obstruction occurred.

[Rich Ives]

Once R3 was obstructed in the run down, kill the play with Type A obstruction. You have a runner being obstructed while being played on. No outs. Score R3, place R2 where you judge he would have been, I would probably put him back at second if he was just creeping off the bag when the obstruction occurred.

​This was FED. No such thing as Type A.

[DevildogUmp]

And I'm going to back to brush up on my reading skills.

Oh hey, right there in the first line: Fed rules.

Edited May 20, 2015 by DevildogUmp

[kstrunk]

If this isn't a glaring example to the FED writers of how they un-necessarily complicate the game in their attempts to simplify it, then I don't know what is. I know, I know... I'm beating a dead horse, but it's just maddening. 

Edited May 20, 2015 by kstrunk

[Replacematt]

It all depends on what would have happened absent the OBS. R3 gets home, by rule. If R2 would have reached 3B, I'm giving him that. I'm also allowing the run to score even if R3 doesn't touch home before the third out.

[clasonater]

It all depends on what would have happened absent the OBS. R3 gets home, by rule. If R2 would have reached 3B, I'm giving him that. I'm also allowing the run to score even if R3 doesn't touch home before the third out.

​Id give him home too because OBS was called before the third out.  Is there a case play that says otherwise somewhere?

[Replacematt]

What Maven is paraphrasing is 3.3.1AA, but that has the caveat that that right involves no play being made. I also distinguish that case play from this play because in the case play, the offense commits an infraction that results in an out as a penalty. In the OP, the offense commits no such infraction.

[maven]

It all depends on what would have happened absent the OBS. R3 gets home, by rule. If R2 would have reached 3B, I'm giving him that. I'm also allowing the run to score even if R3 doesn't touch home before the third out.

​For some — maybe most — versions of this situation, I can see awarding the score as part of the penalty for OBS. I don't think it is automatic, but it might be the path of least resistance or the expected call.