8 pitches then appeal

[gymcoch]

This did NOT happen in my little league game but could have. When Umping, I often think of scenarios in my head. Came up with this:

Player coming home misses touching the plate. Defensive manager puts in a new pitcher who takes his warm-up pitches (time is obviously out). Ball is put back in play and P steps off of mound and throws home to appeal the last runner touching home. Is the appeal allowed? Has there been a "baseball play" or does it have to happen while the ball is live?

Thanks in advance for your comments.

[CricketChapman]

In OBR the appeal is permitted, as there hasn't been a play, attempted play, or pitch. In this case, the umpire must put the ball back in play prior to the appeal (ball must be live for an appeal).

Edited May 7, 2015 by CricketChapman

[Rich Ives]

There was obviously no play.

A pitch is when the ball is delivered to a batter so there's been no pitch.

Therefore any appeal is still valid.

In OBR based rules the ball must be live - which it was.

In HS rules the coach can make a dead ball appeal.

[noumpere]

As long as gymcoach is trying to think of scenarios...

 

What if during the pitching change there was some confusion, and some players wanted a drink of water... so all infielders left fair territory? 

 

Or, what if it started to rain and the game was suspended?

 

Or, what if R3 got wind of the appeal, and went and stood right next to the plate, and touched it as soon as the umpire said "play?"

 

 

[Rich Ives]

As long as gymcoach is trying to think of scenarios...

 

What if during the pitching change there was some confusion, and some players wanted a drink of water... so all infielders left fair territory? 

The pitcher and catcher were still there - it's nothing.

Or, what if it started to rain and the game was suspended?

Just pick up where you left off. Appeal still possible.

Or, what if R3 got wind of the appeal, and went and stood right next to the plate, and touched it as soon as the umpire said "play?"

If he's on his way back you have to tag him.

Unless he entered the dugout in which case he can't return. 

 

 

​Any more? 

[basejester]

As long as gymcoach is trying to think of scenarios...

 

What if during the pitching change there was some confusion, and some players wanted a drink of water... so all infielders left fair territory? 

7.10  . . . If the violation occurs during a play which ends a half-inning, the appeal must be made before the defensive team leaves the field.

Since the half-inning did not end, it doesn't matter that the defense left the field.  The appeal is still valid.

Or, what if it started to rain and the game was suspended?

The appeal is still valid.  See George Brett pine tar game.

Or, what if R3 got wind of the appeal, and went and stood right next to the plate, and touched it as soon as the umpire said "play?"

​If he entered the dugout, he cannot retouch home.  (PBUC 6.3:  "A runner may no longer return to touch a missed base - home plate or otherwise - after having entered the dugout.")  Otherwise, I don't see what prevents the runner from immediately retouching home when the ball is put in play. 

 

[noumpere]

they were all rhetorical.

[Rich Ives]

they were all rhetorical.

​But gymcoch needs an answer

[goody14]

How about this one....

A league rule stipulates that if a pitcher pitches any part of an inning it shall count as a full inning pitched. Johnny is the ace and the coach wants to get maximum innings from him.

Coach is pretty sure that his opponent missed the plate and there are 2 outs.

He puts in Billy to pitch (Billy has never pitched in his life). He takes his warm-up tosses. Ball is put in play and Billy executes the successful appeal.

Billy has satisfied 3.05(b) since the side was retired, right? Johnny starts next inning with a clean slate. 

[Rich Ives]

How about this one....

A league rule stipulates that if a pitcher pitches any part of an inning it shall count as a full inning pitched. Johnny is the ace and the coach wants to get maximum innings from him.

Coach is pretty sure that his opponent missed the plate and there are 2 outs.

He puts in Billy to pitch (Billy has never pitched in his life). He takes his warm-up tosses. Ball is put in play and Billy executes the successful appeal.

Billy has satisfied 3.05(b) since the side was retired, right? Johnny starts next inning with a clean slate. 

​Billy has to pitch to the first batter.

If it's LL majors and below Johnny can't return once removed.

Besides, Johnny already has the inning in his count so removing him won't alter the inning count.

[noumpere]

Coach is pretty sure that his opponent missed the plate and there are 2 outs.

 

​So why not appeal before you chang pitchers, then you know the result and can make the appropriate pitching change based on that.

[goody14]

​So why not appeal before you chang pitchers, then you know the result and can make the appropriate pitching change based on that.

​Fair point...a 3rd world play from a 3rd world brain.