Dropped fly ball in outfielders glove

[MRG9999]

Had a play on Saturday, R2 and R1, 0 outs.  Ball hit to left fielder where fielder had it in the glove and then drops the ball.  Runners advance to 3B and 2B with batter ending up on 1B.  Base Ump positioned in C position calls the fly out stating that the ball was held long enough.  During the play, "time" was called.  Offensive Coach wants the dropped fly ball, but defensive coach wants the out.  PU and BU get together and talk, I tell the BU that I viewed the ball was not held long enought due to hitting the glove and coming out a second later, no attempt to exchange to throw back to infield.  BU changes his call and we rule no catch, runners on 3B, 2B, and 1B.  Coach wanted the time out to be factored in.  I told coach that the play was still in progress and no time was granted until after the play was over.   After thinking about it, this was a no brainer and informed the defense coach (daddy coach) that the call is changed and there was a no catch.  The BU was a Jr umpire working his first season.  Correct ruling ?      

[johnnyg08]

Lesson to the new umpire...stop granting time so much.

[Rich Ives]

"  the ball was held long enough  "

 

You might want to re-read the definition of "catch".

[MPLSMatt]

2 things: 1) why is he calling time on a fly ball in the outfield? Even if it is a catch and drop, the runners have the right to tag and advance.  2) Long enough isn't a thing - we're looking for voluntary release. 

[maven]

OK, a few lessons for us here:

1. Don't call time till the end of playing action. There will be time to sort out interesting situations.
2. Make sure we know the definition of a catch, including secure possession in hand or glove and voluntary release.
3. We do have rules basis for changing a judgment call based on another umpire's information: provide your info, let your partner decide whether to change his call and announce his decision.
4. In both FED and OBR you are permitted to move runners or get outs in order to nullify any advantage gained by changing a judgment call. FED 10-2-3-l, OBR 9.02(c )

[MRG9999]

By no time to exchange meant voluntary release. It never got to that point thus home ruling no catch.

[semper_fi_72]

By no time to exchange meant voluntary release. It never got to that point thus home ruling no catch.

HP Umpire does not rule no catch.

You advise the BU what you observed and provide him the information.

He is the one responsible for either deciding if his original call stands or reversing the call based on your information.

Teach them right to start with.

You never over rule a partner even if they are a Junior Umpire.

Give them ownership of their calls.

[MRG9999]

@semper_fi_72 -

 

'You advise the BU what you observed and provide him the information' -- that is what I did when we talked and he asked me what I saw....

 

'You never over rule a partner even if they are a Junior Umpire'  --  I did not over rule him, he asked what I saw and I gave him the information,

 

I understand where you are coming from in your reasoning....

 

Our UIC for the local league has made it a point to help the Jr's during their first several games, they are only to do the bases (1B and 2B) unless they are in the "C" position then they have the call at 3B.  All other calls are for the PU to make including the fly balls to the outfield.  Once they survive their first several games, then more responsibilities are awarded them.  We start them out doing the plate and bases in 7-8's, bases in 9-10's (minors) and 11-12;s (majors).  The minumum ages is 13 years old for a Jr and there must be is a two year difference in age between them and the level they are doing. 

 

 

 

"  the ball was held long enough  "

 

You might want to re-read the definition of "catch".

 

I know the definition of a catch, this was not even close. It hit the palm of the glove and came right out.  The glove never even closed  No voluntary release of the ball.