Coach you were so close!!!

[OHUMP]

HS summer ball mainly coached by dads.  R2 & R3 1 out I am the PU.  Fly ball to right field and the catch is made both runners tag R3 scores R2 to 3rd.  Coach comes out and appeals that the RUNNER left early.  I had to ask him which runner and he said R2 partner signaled safe we move on.  Funny thing was the R3 left so early it wasn't even funny and they didn't even appeal that.  Why is it when you 100% have something that will cause an out on appeal there is never an appeal?  I had a game one time there were 4 different appeals for missed bases or leaving early and then the one time they did miss a base nothing.

[James Walker]

We have a saying in our group... "Ball don't lie.". You can try to gain an unfair advantage, you might sneak one past us, but in the end, the it'll bite you.

[maven]

A number of coaches around here run this play:

 

R2 only, BR bunts down the 1BL, defense gets the out at 1B.

 

Meanwhile R2 cuts the corner at 3B by 15-20 feet — nowhere near the base. Everyone's watching 1B, nobody (except the quality PU's in the association) see the "miss" at 3B. Runner scores in nothing flat!

 

I saw it in 3 games this spring, and nobody ever appealed the missed base.

[blue23ll]

That's why when I was coaching I always had 2 sub's on the bench who's only job was to watch runner's touching bases.

[umpire_scott]

That's why when I was coaching I always had 2 sub's on the bench who's only job was to watch runner's touching bases.

 

It baffles me why more coaches don't do this.  I would say that over 80% of missed bases are seen by the umpires, and only about 10% of those are actually appealed.

[blue23ll]

The smartest baseball mind I have ever met was my high school coach, that was one of the things he always had us do.

[Specks]

Most coaches are too busy trying to do my job than doing their own.

[grayhawk]

A number of coaches around here run this play:

 

R2 only, BR bunts down the 1BL, defense gets the out at 1B.

 

Meanwhile R2 cuts the corner at 3B by 15-20 feet — nowhere near the base. Everyone's watching 1B, nobody (except the quality PU's in the association) see the "miss" at 3B. Runner scores in nothing flat!

 

I saw it in 3 games this spring, and nobody ever appealed the missed base.

 

Isn't there an interpretation somewhere that allows an out to be called out on a gross miss - perhaps when returning to a base?  For instance:

 

No outs.  R1 stealing, batter hits long fly ball which is caught.  R1 is almost halfway to third and cuts across the diamond to get back to first (missing 2nd by 15-20 feet), and beats the throw to first.

 

Ordinarily, the defense would have to appeal that R1 missed 2nd on his way back, but it seems there is an interpretation out there somewhere that allows R1 to be called out without an appeal because he missed 2nd by so much on his way back.  Am I imagining this?

[mrumpiresir]

 

A number of coaches around here run this play:

 

R2 only, BR bunts down the 1BL, defense gets the out at 1B.

 

Meanwhile R2 cuts the corner at 3B by 15-20 feet — nowhere near the base. Everyone's watching 1B, nobody (except the quality PU's in the association) see the "miss" at 3B. Runner scores in nothing flat!

 

I saw it in 3 games this spring, and nobody ever appealed the missed base.

 

Isn't there an interpretation somewhere that allows an out to be called out on a gross miss - perhaps when returning to a base?  For instance:

 

No outs.  R1 stealing, batter hits long fly ball which is caught.  R1 is almost halfway to third and cuts across the diamond to get back to first (missing 2nd by 15-20 feet), and beats the throw to first.

 

Ordinarily, the defense would have to appeal that R1 missed 2nd on his way back, but it seems there is an interpretation out there somewhere that allows R1 to be called out without an appeal because he missed 2nd by so much on his way back.  Am I imagining this?

 

This still needs to be appealed by the defense.  The gross miss applies when a runner later corrects his miss of a base (the last time by interpretation).  A gross miss will not allow him to correct his base running error by touching the base the last time by.

[grayhawk]

A number of coaches around here run this play:

R2 only, BR bunts down the 1BL, defense gets the out at 1B.

Meanwhile R2 cuts the corner at 3B by 15-20 feet — nowhere near the base. Everyone's watching 1B, nobody (except the quality PU's in the association) see the "miss" at 3B. Runner scores in nothing flat!

I saw it in 3 games this spring, and nobody ever appealed the missed base.

Isn't there an interpretation somewhere that allows an out to be called out on a gross miss - perhaps when returning to a base? For instance:

No outs. R1 stealing, batter hits long fly ball which is caught. R1 is almost halfway to third and cuts across the diamond to get back to first (missing 2nd by 15-20 feet), and beats the throw to first.

Ordinarily, the defense would have to appeal that R1 missed 2nd on his way back, but it seems there is an interpretation out there somewhere that allows R1 to be called out without an appeal because he missed 2nd by so much on his way back. Am I imagining this?

This still needs to be appealed by the defense. The gross miss applies when a runner later corrects his miss of a base (the last time by interpretation). A gross miss will not allow him to correct his base running error by touching the base the last time by.

Not sure I see a difference. In both cases, the runner grossly missed on his last time by.

[mrumpiresir]

 

 

 

A number of coaches around here run this play:

R2 only, BR bunts down the 1BL, defense gets the out at 1B.

Meanwhile R2 cuts the corner at 3B by 15-20 feet — nowhere near the base. Everyone's watching 1B, nobody (except the quality PU's in the association) see the "miss" at 3B. Runner scores in nothing flat!

I saw it in 3 games this spring, and nobody ever appealed the missed base.

Isn't there an interpretation somewhere that allows an out to be called out on a gross miss - perhaps when returning to a base? For instance:

No outs. R1 stealing, batter hits long fly ball which is caught. R1 is almost halfway to third and cuts across the diamond to get back to first (missing 2nd by 15-20 feet), and beats the throw to first.

Ordinarily, the defense would have to appeal that R1 missed 2nd on his way back, but it seems there is an interpretation out there somewhere that allows R1 to be called out without an appeal because he missed 2nd by so much on his way back. Am I imagining this? This still needs to be appealed by the defense. The gross miss applies when a runner later corrects his miss of a base (the last time by interpretation). A gross miss will not allow him to correct his base running error by touching the base the last time by.

Not sure I see a difference. In both cases, the runner grossly missed on his last time by.

 

Suppose R1 advances past second base on a fly ball to F8 but the ball is caught and the runner returns to first missing second by two inches on the way back. Suppose F8 now throws the ball OOP trying to double up R1.  The umpire awards R1 third base and R1 touches 2nd on his way to third.  He has corrected his base running error . Last time by.

 

However if during his return to first he cuts across the infield and misses second by ten feet.  This is a gross miss that cannot be corrected by last time by and R1 will be called out on appeal.

[grayhawk]

Perfect! Thanks for filling in the blanks. Is this written in any interpretation manuals?