one more for the trophy room..."you didnt call "fair ball"!"

[semper_fi_72]

 

 

Coach runs out (uninvited, while ball is still live) and proceeds to present his two part arguement that A) the ball was foul, and b) if it was fair, i should have called "fair ball".  (at this point I know whats coming and decide to have some fun with it)

I tell him thats enough, and to return to his bucket (knowing I'm about to dump him anyways).  He starts walking back while still grumbling "thats terrible, learn the game" i could have dumped him right there but I decided to poke the bear and say "cmon coach, play nice", he turns and gives me the "you're pathetic"...ut ohh.... Crow hop, plant, snap fingers, pivot, BOOM! C-ya!  thanks for playing.

Premeditation and throwing chum in the water.

Yes, you caught a Shark but not one for the Trophy Room.

BTW, if you really want to collect Trophies for your EJs while umpiring, may I suggest a different sport to officiate.

I would rather remember the ones I kept in game.

I also do not EJ anyone.

THEY EJ THEMSELVES.

 

that is kind of funny Lou, .... you posted about EJing a 12u kid for saying "you've got to be kidding me" ..... 

 

Absolutely correct.

He EJd himself through the word YOU'VE, his eye contact, body language and the volume/tone it was said.

[plateumpire]

Coaches ask me about judgment calls and I have said, " In my judgment..." It has worked really well. The coaches say "ok"

[conbo61]

Coaches ask me about judgment calls and I have said, " In my judgment..." It has worked really well. The coaches say "ok"

 

Perhaps I am confused (it has happened before) - how was this a judgment call?

[plateumpire]

 

Coaches ask me about judgment calls and I have said, " In my judgment..." It has worked really well. The coaches say "ok"

 

Perhaps I am confused (it has happened before) - how was this a judgment call?

 

Oh I thought the rule book said that fair/foul is a judgment call. Maybe I'm wrong?

[plateumpire]

 

 

Coaches ask me about judgment calls and I have said, " In my judgment..." It has worked really well. The coaches say "ok"

 

Perhaps I am confused (it has happened before) - how was this a judgment call?

 

Oh I thought the rule book said that fair/foul is a judgment call. Maybe I'm wrong?

 

This is the rule I was thinking of.

OBR 9.02 (a) Any umpire's decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, weather a batted ball is fair or foul, weather a pitched ball is a strike or a ball, or weather a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.

[HeadHunterLA]

your last line baited him. a firm "thats enough" would have done the same thing

Of course he baited him and like a boss I must say!  Sometimes a little bait is not only fun but necessary.

[HeadHunterLA]

 

 

Coach runs out (uninvited, while ball is still live) and proceeds to present his two part arguement that A) the ball was foul, and b) if it was fair, i should have called "fair ball".  (at this point I know whats coming and decide to have some fun with it)

I tell him thats enough, and to return to his bucket (knowing I'm about to dump him anyways).  He starts walking back while still grumbling "thats terrible, learn the game" i could have dumped him right there but I decided to poke the bear and say "cmon coach, play nice", he turns and gives me the "you're pathetic"...ut ohh.... Crow hop, plant, snap fingers, pivot, BOOM! C-ya!  thanks for playing.

Premeditation and throwing chum in the water.

Yes, you caught a Shark but not one for the Trophy Room.

BTW, if you really want to collect Trophies for your EJs while umpiring, may I suggest a different sport to officiate.

I would rather remember the ones I kept in game.

I also do not EJ anyone.

THEY EJ THEMSELVES.

 

 

lol excuse me for having a sense of humor and I think your taking my smart a#$ness out of context.  I am always professional with coaches and players at EVERY game but I do try to have fun with it and enjoy myself while I'm out there.  I've called well over 100 games this year and have had 2 ejections (one was in defense of my rookie partner). I dont go looking for them and I'm one of the better umpires in our association at handling truly heated situations w/o ejections. 

 

I am right with you.

[conbo61]

 

 

 

Coaches ask me about judgment calls and I have said, " In my judgment..." It has worked really well. The coaches say "ok"

 

Perhaps I am confused (it has happened before) - how was this a judgment call?

 

Oh I thought the rule book said that fair/foul is a judgment call. Maybe I'm wrong?

 

This is the rule I was thinking of.

OBR 9.02 (a) Any umpire's decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, weather a batted ball is fair or foul, weather a pitched ball is a strike or a ball, or weather a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions.

 

 

I can understand that judgment is involved whether or not a ball hits the foul line, but I do not think that judgment is involved when the ball hits the bag.

[Replacematt]

@RingEmUp918

 

I'm going to be more than blunt here. Your attitude in the EJ sucked, and your attitude here sucks. If you were going to toss him, toss him. Don't play the stupid game of baiting. The fact you did and try to justify it shows that you have a lot of personal development to do. Also, from what you described, I don't necessarily see a coach looking to get tossed, but I sure as hell see an umpire trying to make sure he is. Then, you come on here and post it, which is fine if you are looking for critique, but you aren't.

[HeadHunterLA]

@RingEmUp918

 

I'm going to be more than blunt here. Your attitude in the EJ sucked, and your attitude here sucks. If you were going to toss him, toss him. Don't play the stupid game of baiting. The fact you did and try to justify it shows that you have a lot of personal development to do. Also, from what you described, I don't necessarily see a coach looking to get tossed, but I sure as hell see an umpire trying to make sure he is. Then, you come on here and post it, which is fine if you are looking for critique, but you aren't.

Wow.  Flamethrower went right past stun and set to crispy!  

[BigUmpire]

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  My only regret is actually NOT Ejecting him as, as the asst coach came up to me after the inning and laughingly said hes been trying to get thrown out all year but just dosent know how lol. 

  • "You will only regret the ejection you missed"-.mstaylor

   

   

[RingEmUp918]

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[alex7]

It is unprofessional to bait.  

 

You are being paid and represent yourself as a professional.

 

Don't bait.

[spiritump]

18u league last night I'm working plate in 2nd game of a double header, everything is going smooth and havent had a single issue or grumble all night. 

-Quick note about this league: it is somewhat of a recreational league as most of the players play in it in addtion to HS ball, as the season runs longer.  The coaches are usually just a parent or random volunteer.  The teams typically dont practice, they just show up and play a double header once a week.

 

Bottom of the 5th, R1 outs dont matter.  HT batter hits a rocket down the 3b line (hit so hard I barely had time to pop out to get a look) Ball hits the top of the bag then shoots out to no mans land along fence in foul territory, i signal fair then head towards third for potential play on R1.  VT's HC is screaming for a foul ball from 1b dugout (since his angle is so much better than mine),  the left fielder stops running as he think the ball is foul from his coach's antics.. R1 scores, batter ends up with a stand up triple. 

 

Coach runs out (uninvited, while ball is still live) and proceeds to present his two part arguement that A) the ball was foul, and b) if it was fair, i should have called "fair ball".  (at this point I know whats coming and decide to have some fun with it)

I tell him thats enough, and to return to his bucket (knowing I'm about to dump him anyways).  He starts walking back while still grumbling "thats terrible, learn the game" i could have dumped him right there but I decided to poke the bear and say "cmon coach, play nice", he turns and gives me the "you're pathetic"...ut ohh.... Crow hop, plant, snap fingers, pivot, BOOM! C-ya!  thanks for playing.

 

 

put all the lipstick you want von a pig--it is still a pig     the truth is you baited the RAT

[BigUmpire]

Like a carp on a doughball.

[Replacematt]

 

@RingEmUp918

 

I'm going to be more than blunt here. Your attitude in the EJ sucked, and your attitude here sucks. If you were going to toss him, toss him. Don't play the stupid game of baiting. The fact you did and try to justify it shows that you have a lot of personal development to do. Also, from what you described, I don't necessarily see a coach looking to get tossed, but I sure as hell see an umpire trying to make sure he is. Then, you come on here and post it, which is fine if you are looking for critique, but you aren't.

 

This reply "sucked" and was pretty uncalled for if you ask me ....excuse me for trying to add humor to a situation. Somebody needs to lighten up, try smiling...its not that bad, I promise!   

No need to defend myself against you and if you look at any of my previous posts you will see that I often post about mistakes ive made looking for critique with the purpose of trying to become a better umpire.  And as for my "personal development" I'm doing just fine in that department.

 

 

As I said, I am being blunt, because you didn't get it, and still don't. If you think baiting a coach (or as you put it, "using humor") is acceptable, then you need a long look in the mirror. I'm as big as a smartass as they come, and I've only baited a coach--excuse me, "used humor"--once. It was an impulsive statement, and I immediately knew I had cooked myself. Thankfully, he didn't take the bait, because not only could I not have ejected him after that, our association's representative to the league was present, unbeknownst to me, and he would have found out almost immediately.

 

If you intend on saying something "in humor" to a coach during/following an argument, I suggest you choose your words carefully. Directing it at him (as you did here) is a dick move. Directing it at yourself gives him another opening to attack. Humor can only defuse a situation if it's used properly and it distracts them from being angry at you--which requires a good read on him and knowing what you can pull off. Based off what I'm seeing, I would suggest you have a come-to-Jesus meeting with yourself and honestly assess if you can do either of those things.

[HeadHunterLA]

This thread is getting ridiculous and personal, not really what this is for, I'm out.

[Replacematt]

This thread is getting ridiculous and personal, not really what this is for, I'm out.

 

I love it when people confuse an assessment of a person's actions with getting personal.

[RingEmUp918]

This thread is getting ridiculous and personal, not really what this is for, I'm out.

 

lol right there with you, gonna devote more time to my professional development.  Peace