Balk prior to set

[maven]

The "start stop" balk in OBR violates 8.01(b) but no penalty is prescribed in 8. 01(b) for that violation. In fact "one continuous motion" is violated by a few MLB pitchers that I've seen in the past. I used to think that the "start and stop" was balked because it was a feint without a step. I've been advised on a few boards that even though no penalty is prescribed it is common practice in OBR to balk this violation. If you tell the coach it was a " start and stop" you should get no grief. If you happen upon a coach that knows the rules you can use a feint without a step.

 

Start and stop violates 8.05a, and is thus properly a balk by rule and not merely interpretation.

 

I do not recommend claiming that start and stop is a feint without a step, since it isn't.

[Jimurray]

The "start stop" balk in OBR violates 8.01(b) but no penalty is prescribed in 8. 01(b) for that violation. In fact "one continuous motion" is violated by a few MLB pitchers that I've seen in the past. I used to think that the "start and stop" was balked because it was a feint without a step. I've been advised on a few boards that even though no penalty is prescribed it is common practice in OBR to balk this violation. If you tell the coach it was a " start and stop" you should get no grief. If you happen upon a coach that knows the rules you can use a feint without a step.

 

Start and stop violates 8.05a, and is thus properly a balk by rule and not merely interpretation.

 

I do not recommend claiming that start and stop is a feint without a step, since it isn't.

The start of his pitching motion is after he comes set. Otherwise the rules would be in conflict about requiring a stop in the set position. Wendelstedt says this: "The pitcher starts and stops his motion to deliver a pitch (8.05a), bring his hands together in either pitching position, or to disengage the pitcher's plate (8.01b).

This is from the 2010 WUM.

[Jimurray]

The "start stop" balk in OBR violates 8.01(b) but no penalty is prescribed in 8. 01(b) for that violation. In fact "one continuous motion" is violated by a few MLB pitchers that I've seen in the past. I used to think that the "start and stop" was balked because it was a feint without a step. I've been advised on a few boards that even though no penalty is prescribed it is common practice in OBR to balk this violation. If you tell the coach it was a " start and stop" you should get no grief. If you happen upon a coach that knows the rules you can use a feint without a step.

In your sit ask the coach if the other pitcher on the rubber and not set yet could turn, not step and make an arm motion towards his R1.

The pitcher can turn to check runners in the set or the stretch so long as you don't determine that such motion was a feint towards first, typically if this turning action is in a "jerky" type of motion i will call it a balk as a feint without stepping, any other time just turning his shoulders, in obr, I don't balk since this is not, in my judgement, a feint to a base. Under FED you have to balk this when he is in his set position since turning his shoulders from the set position is defined as a balk in FED.BTW my interp of turning the shoulders and not feinting to a base from set or stretch came from Wendelstedt and PBUC.

I agree with what you say. That's why I added arm motion.

[guitarplaya2007]

 

 

The "start stop" balk in OBR violates 8.01(b) but no penalty is prescribed in 8. 01(b) for that violation. In fact "one continuous motion" is violated by a few MLB pitchers that I've seen in the past. I used to think that the "start and stop" was balked because it was a feint without a step. I've been advised on a few boards that even though no penalty is prescribed it is common practice in OBR to balk this violation. If you tell the coach it was a " start and stop" you should get no grief. If you happen upon a coach that knows the rules you can use a feint without a step.

In your sit ask the coach if the other pitcher on the rubber and not set yet could turn, not step and make an arm motion towards his R1.

The pitcher can turn to check runners in the set or the stretch so long as you don't determine that such motion was a feint towards first, typically if this turning action is in a "jerky" type of motion i will call it a balk as a feint without stepping, any other time just turning his shoulders, in obr, I don't balk since this is not, in my judgement, a feint to a base. Under FED you have to balk this when he is in his set position since turning his shoulders from the set position is defined as a balk in FED.BTW my interp of turning the shoulders and not feinting to a base from set or stretch came from Wendelstedt and PBUC.

I agree with what you say. That's why I added arm motion.

 

Sorry, read your post a little wrong, thought you were giving two separate situations there. If you could tell I was NOT an english major in college....