Was I right?

[James Walker]

Last night, had bases loaded with one out. Batter gets a BB and starts troting to first. As R3 touches the plate, the coach says that's five (league has a 5 run per inning rule). BR stops about half way to first and starts going to the dugout. I called him out. Was this correct? Also, if there were two outs, would the run have scored?

Then I had a first. R3, and the ball gets by the catcher, but completely misses the plate. Catcher doesn't notice, but the "bleacher creatures" do and start yelling that he missed the plate. By this time the runner is 5 ft or so past the dirt circle headed to the dugout. The catcher chases him down and tags him out. But I have a question, since there was not a following runner, at what point does the runner lose the right to retouch home?

[elares]

Was this Little League Minors division?  If that's the case in the first situation, I would score the run, leave the BR at first, and have a conversation with the coach.

Runner loses the right to re-touch home when he enters the dugout.

[BigUmpire]

Was this Little League Minors division?  If that's the case in the first situation, I would score the run, leave the BR at first, and have a conversation with the coach.

Runner loses the right to re-touch home when he enters the dugout.

Loses it in USSSA when he leaves the batting circle.

[BigUmpire]

Last night, had bases loaded with one out. Batter gets a BB and starts troting to first. As R3 touches the plate, the coach says that's five (league has a 5 run per inning rule). BR stops about half way to first and starts going to the dugout. I called him out. Was this correct? Also, if there were two outs, would the run have scored?

Then I had a first. R3, and the ball gets by the catcher, but completely misses the plate. Catcher doesn't notice, but the "bleacher creatures" do and start yelling that he missed the plate. By this time the runner is 5 ft or so past the dirt circle headed to the dugout. The catcher chases him down and tags him out. But I have a question, since there was not a following runner, at what point does the runner lose the right to retouch home?

Was it five runs? If it was kill that half of the inning.

 

2 things.

1.Don't let a coach make calls. Use your scorkeeper for this.

2. If the local fools make a rule like this why would you call the BR out?

 

Game control!

[Rich Ives]

 

Last night, had bases loaded with one out. Batter gets a BB and starts troting to first. As R3 touches the plate, the coach says that's five (league has a 5 run per inning rule). BR stops about half way to first and starts going to the dugout. I called him out. Was this correct? Also, if there were two outs, would the run have scored?

Then I had a first. R3, and the ball gets by the catcher, but completely misses the plate. Catcher doesn't notice, but the "bleacher creatures" do and start yelling that he missed the plate. By this time the runner is 5 ft or so past the dirt circle headed to the dugout. The catcher chases him down and tags him out. But I have a question, since there was not a following runner, at what point does the runner lose the right to retouch home?

Was it five runs? If it was kill that half of the inning.

 

2 things.

1.Don't let a coach make calls. Use your scorkeeper for this.

2. If the local fools make a rule like this why would you call the BR out?

 

Game control!

 

 

 

The entirety of LL world wide has a 5 runs per inning limit in minors.  A very very large percentage of other leagues have a run limit in minors - usually 5. It's not "local fools".

 

Why do you care who announces that the 5th run scored?

[Rich Ives]

 

Was this Little League Minors division?  If that's the case in the first situation, I would score the run, leave the BR at first, and have a conversation with the coach.

Runner loses the right to re-touch home when he enters the dugout.

Loses it in USSSA when he leaves the batting circle.

 

 

You sure?  The "leaving the dirt circle" bit applies to U3K in OBR but not to re-touches on a missed plate.  USSSA is OBR based is it not?

[KLAH316]

I know it's been discussed in prior threads, but this is yet another reason why in leagues that have strict Run Limits per inning, I let the play finish and THEN deal with the limit issue. 

I've had situations where one team thought they hit the limit and the other said no and then it had to be sorted out.

 

Let the action finish and then deal with it.  Less headaches later.

[BigUmpire]

I know it's been discussed in prior threads, but this is yet another reason why in leagues that have strict Run Limits per inning, I let the play finish and THEN deal with the limit issue. 

I've had situations where one team thought they hit the limit and the other said no and then it had to be sorted out.

 

Let the action finish and then deal with it.  Less headaches later.

'I let the play finish"

Wisdom.

[James Walker]

I looked at the rules again, and guess what, I'm an idiot . It says he has to touch first to force the runners. He's out for abandoning AFTER he touches first. I always let it play out, never know when them pesky scorekeepers (home team moms) get it wrong.

On the second one, let's say the runner makes it to the dugout. If F2 goes into the dugout to tag him, is it treated like a "catch and carry" (if he stays on his feet, live ball. Or if he falls its one base TOP) or like a thrown ball into DBT?

[BigUmpire]

 

 

Was this Little League Minors division?  If that's the case in the first situation, I would score the run, leave the BR at first, and have a conversation with the coach.

Runner loses the right to re-touch home when he enters the dugout.

Loses it in USSSA when he leaves the batting circle.

 

 

You sure?  The "leaving the dirt circle" bit applies to U3K in OBR but not to re-touches on a missed plate.  USSSA is OBR based is it not?

"upon further review" Rich is correct. I got this one confused with dropped third strike in USSSA.

 

[James Walker]

I just had one of "those" games. Didn't hear boo from either side all game, but felt like I was off, especially balls and strikes, all game.

[James Walker]

Rich, its Dixie "o-zone (70/50, 12u ball), so its a local rule. A very seldom used rule at this level, but its nice to have it when needed.

[BigUmpire]

 

 

Last night, had bases loaded with one out. Batter gets a BB and starts troting to first. As R3 touches the plate, the coach says that's five (league has a 5 run per inning rule). BR stops about half way to first and starts going to the dugout. I called him out. Was this correct? Also, if there were two outs, would the run have scored?

Then I had a first. R3, and the ball gets by the catcher, but completely misses the plate. Catcher doesn't notice, but the "bleacher creatures" do and start yelling that he missed the plate. By this time the runner is 5 ft or so past the dirt circle headed to the dugout. The catcher chases him down and tags him out. But I have a question, since there was not a following runner, at what point does the runner lose the right to retouch home?

Was it five runs? If it was kill that half of the inning.

 

2 things.

1.Don't let a coach make calls. Use your scorkeeper for this.

2. If the local fools make a rule like this why would you call the BR out?

 

Game control!

 

 

 

The entirety of LL world wide has a 5 runs per inning limit in minors.  A very very large percentage of other leagues have a run limit in minors - usually 5. It's not "local fools".

 

Why do you care who announces that the 5th run scored?

 

What if its not 5 runs and everyone lets up?

[Rich Ives]

I looked at the rules again, and guess what, I'm an idiot . It says he has to touch first to force the runners. He's out for abandoning AFTER he touches first. I always let it play out, never know when them pesky scorekeepers (home team moms) get it wrong.

On the second one, let's say the runner makes it to the dugout. If F2 goes into the dugout to tag him, is it treated like a "catch and carry" (if he stays on his feet, live ball. Or if he falls its one base TOP) or like a thrown ball into DBT?

 

Throw out of play in OBR.

[Rich Ives]

 

 

 

Last night, had bases loaded with one out. Batter gets a BB and starts troting to first. As R3 touches the plate, the coach says that's five (league has a 5 run per inning rule). BR stops about half way to first and starts going to the dugout. I called him out. Was this correct? Also, if there were two outs, would the run have scored?

Then I had a first. R3, and the ball gets by the catcher, but completely misses the plate. Catcher doesn't notice, but the "bleacher creatures" do and start yelling that he missed the plate. By this time the runner is 5 ft or so past the dirt circle headed to the dugout. The catcher chases him down and tags him out. But I have a question, since there was not a following runner, at what point does the runner lose the right to retouch home?

Was it five runs? If it was kill that half of the inning.

 

2 things.

1.Don't let a coach make calls. Use your scorkeeper for this.

2. If the local fools make a rule like this why would you call the BR out?

 

Game control!

 

 

 

The entirety of LL world wide has a 5 runs per inning limit in minors.  A very very large percentage of other leagues have a run limit in minors - usually 5. It's not "local fools".

 

Why do you care who announces that the 5th run scored?

 

What if its not 5 runs and everyone lets up?

 

 

In minors coach = scorekeeper a good deal of the time.

[bam]

Let me get this straight.

 

You've got a 5 run limit. 

 

Bases loaded with a BB, which means you've got a minimum of 9 batters so far.

 

Coach of the team benefitting from a 5-run rule is complaining about an untouched first base.

 

And you seriously consider his complaint valid?

 

And regarding R3 missing home, rules vary between codes, but the dirt surrounding home plate is your guideline.

[Swifty]

In our league (Dixie also) we are required to kill it as soon as the 5th run is scored. They pull the liability card (if someone gets hurt because you let the play continue...) I would like to think, and will after reading this, I would treat the coaches comment in this sitch the same as if DC asked for time after a walk (Not until he reaches first coach!)

[James Walker]

In our league (Dixie also) we are required to kill it as soon as the 5th run is scored. They pull the liability card (if someone gets hurt because you let the play continue...) I would like to think, and will after reading this, I would treat the coaches comment in this sitch the same as if DC asked for time after a walk (Not until he reaches first coach!)

I think killing it would have more chance of getting a kid hurt, especially at younger ages. If you call time or say that's five guys, a kid could be hit by a thrown ball because they think its over and another kid didn't hear. Plus its like a fair/foul call. Once its dead, its dead. Fixing the problems can get messy and its a guarantee one coach is gonna be upset.

[James Walker]

I looked at the rules again, and guess what, I'm an idiot . It says he has to touch first to force the runners. He's out for abandoning AFTER he touches first. I always let it play out, never know when them pesky scorekeepers (home team moms) get it wrong.

On the second one, let's say the runner makes it to the dugout. If F2 goes into the dugout to tag him, is it treated like a "catch and carry" (if he stays on his feet, live ball. Or if he falls its one base TOP) or like a thrown ball into DBT?

 

Throw out of play in OBR.

Two from TOP or TOI?

[noumpere]

 

 

I looked at the rules again, and guess what, I'm an idiot . It says he has to touch first to force the runners. He's out for abandoning AFTER he touches first. I always let it play out, never know when them pesky scorekeepers (home team moms) get it wrong.

On the second one, let's say the runner makes it to the dugout. If F2 goes into the dugout to tag him, is it treated like a "catch and carry" (if he stays on his feet, live ball. Or if he falls its one base TOP) or like a thrown ball into DBT?

 

Throw out of play in OBR.

Two from TOP or TOI?

 

The regular rules on timing apply so probably two bases from the time the ball was carried into the dugout as it would be rare to carry the ball in to tag a runner on the first play by an infielder etc.