Assistant coach leaves box / dugout

[mstaylor]

I hear coaches tell players to fly right because I'm on the game.

[Jocko]

I like it when the HC tells his players after the plate meeting, "Ok, guys. This guy likes em (choose location), so you better be swingin.

Consistency, thy name is Jocko

[NCAAump2]

I'm kind of the way Mike was...when I was younger, I had a pretty quick trigger finger. I think that I'm more experienced and know how to handle situations better, and I think coaches and players also respect me more. I think a lot of it has to do with how you present and handle yourself, as well as managing the game situations.

[mstaylor]

The year I tossed so many was not all that early in my career. As a matter of fact I was already on the exec board for my HS and College groups. The problem was many of the guys I was working with were not taking care of business and I ended up having to handle it for them.

[Jocko]

I had a bucket butt razzing me about a call. I gave him "The Look"

He chirped once or twice more. I ignored. He said one more thing, and I looked hard in his direction and stood up from HOK position. My partner, sensing the impending EJ, called time, winked at me, and brushed the plate. It was enough. Apparently the mouth sensed something and shut his trap. Partner gave me a second to refocus, and the game proceeded without an EJ. That's game management. I learned something about managing the game, and gained a new respect for my partner.

[Minnz]

I always say if I have to toss a guy then I have paperwork to file with the HS association. Makes me far less annoyed and far slower trigger finger.

[hckyosgood30]

Paperwork should have zero bearing on my decision to eject or not eject a coach. If game and situational management fails then its my duty to do the paperwork. If in the first inning he comes out and Mother F's me, I'm not going to be slow because of paper work and giving him a chance. He can curse the call, he can come out a discuss, debate, argue etc... but not over step all most good managers know where that line is. Eject when needed, if not then you're putting the pressure on your partner to do it for you.

[Minnz]

Paperwork should have zero bearing on my decision to eject or not eject a coach. If game and situational management fails then its my duty to do the paperwork. If in the first inning he comes out and Mother F's me, I'm not going to be slow because of paper work and giving him a chance. He can curse the call, he can come out a discuss, debate, argue etc... but not over step all most good managers know where that line is. Eject when needed, if not then you're putting the pressure on your partner to do it for you.

Oh was mostly a joke there. If the guy deserves to get tossed I will toss. I just have slowed my eject button over the years.

[dddunn3d]

Tangential, but relevant...

I'm going through the NFHS 2013 Rulebook and Casebook, and something occurs to me.

3.3.1 SITUATION S:

Team A has three adult coaches. One assistant coach leaves the dugout to object to a call at the plate. During the discussion, U1 informs the assistant coach that he and the head coach will now be restricted to the dugout for the remainder of the game. The second assistant now enters the discussion directing profanity toward the umpire or otherwise violating 3-3-1g.

RULING: The second assistant coach is ejected from the contest. The first assistant coach and the head coach are restricted if no other violations occurred by these individuals.

COMMENT: Each act must be judged on its own merit and it is possible that differing penalties are imposed on different people.

Since in Florida restriction to the bench/dugout for 3-3-1 violations is not an option, this situation would result in all the adult coaches being ejected.

I seem to recall from a few years ago that if all the adult coaches for a team are ejected, that team forfeits. However, 4-4-1 does not list this situation as being forfeitable. Scouring the rest of the 2013 Rulebook and Casebook has not revealed a black-and-white answer. Can anyone steer me in the right direction?

(I plan on bringing this up during my association's next meeting if I can't resolve this for myself, and see what the consensus is.)

[yawetag]

It's a state adoption thing, I believe. Here's MSHSAA's:

1. Coach removed from playing area and bleachers, but should remain available should an emergency situation arise. Coach must be out of sight or sound of the contest (i.e. visiting coach could go to bus).

2. Game may continue only if a bona fide school faculty member and/or administrator is available to substitute for the coach on the bench.

3. Should there not be a faculty member and/or administrator available, the game will be forfeited.

[mstaylor]

If they are dumb enough to get three tossed on one call then they deserve to have to forfeit. Then they get to go explain to their administrator what happened.

[dddunn3d]

Tangential, but relevant...

I'm going through the NFHS 2013 Rulebook and Casebook, and something occurs to me.

3.3.1 SITUATION S:

Team A has three adult coaches. One assistant coach leaves the dugout to object to a call at the plate. During the discussion, U1 informs the assistant coach that he and the head coach will now be restricted to the dugout for the remainder of the game. The second assistant now enters the discussion directing profanity toward the umpire or otherwise violating 3-3-1g.

RULING: The second assistant coach is ejected from the contest. The first assistant coach and the head coach are restricted if no other violations occurred by these individuals.

COMMENT: Each act must be judged on its own merit and it is possible that differing penalties are imposed on different people.

Since in Florida restriction to the bench/dugout for 3-3-1 violations is not an option, this situation would result in all the adult coaches being ejected.

I seem to recall from a few years ago that if all the adult coaches for a team are ejected, that team forfeits. However, 4-4-1 does not list this situation as being forfeitable. Scouring the rest of the 2013 Rulebook and Casebook has not revealed a black-and-white answer. Can anyone steer me in the right direction?

(I plan on bringing this up during my association's next meeting if I can't resolve this for myself, and see what the consensus is.)

OK, found it, in all places, the Officials Guidebook, albeit not under the Baseball section. Who'd-a-thunk-it?

[Minnz]

To avoid forfeit the team needs an actual school official to be in the dugout.  It can be a coach from another sport or any teacher, admin etc. to avoid forfeit   They new "coach" can't be on the field unless they are in proper uniform.

[plateumpire29]

If I hear a discouraging word from an assistant, I tell him to shut up or he's gone. Haven't had to toss one yet.