Ever been asked not to eject coaches?

[Jocko]

Thar's beer in them thar coolers in mah truck :cheers:

[csabo17]

I work strictly fed rules. I told my partner to keep a fight down from now on just appeal and we will give it to keep the coaches happy. Im never going to go against him though in that situation.

[mstaylor]

I work strictly fed rules. I told my partner to keep a fight down from now on just appeal and we will give it to keep the coaches happy. Im never going to go against him though in that situation.

As always, you have to do what your area group says do. I personally teach my guys to always ask, and to always give them what you have. I banged many strikes from C and never hear a peep. It is usual in our areas so they are used to it.

[RichMSN]

And I was merely commenting that it looks arrogant to say "Ball, no he didn't go," like we used to be taught years ago. I have learned to welcome a strike from the BU if I missed one. Gets me closer to the end of the game!

Arrogant? It's the taught mechanic. I *always* say, "Ball. No, he didn't go" on a checked swing that I think is a ball. Has nothing to do with the eventual outcome -- I couldn't possibly care if my partner says that the batter went. Doesn't nothing to my credibility and *never* angers me. And I never say it to dissuade a team from asking. Hell, sometimes I'll call that and immediately ask myself.

[SanDiegoSteve]

And I was merely commenting that it looks arrogant to say "Ball, no he didn't go," like we used to be taught years ago. I have learned to welcome a strike from the BU if I missed one. Gets me closer to the end of the game!

Arrogant? It's the taught mechanic. I *always* say, "Ball. No, he didn't go" on a checked swing that I think is a ball. Has nothing to do with the eventual outcome -- I couldn't possibly care if my partner says that the batter went. Doesn't nothing to my credibility and *never* angers me. And I never say it to dissuade a team from asking. Hell, sometimes I'll call that and immediately ask myself.

How does that conversation with yourself eventually work out? Do you overrule yourself on appeal? We were told in no uncertain terms to stop saying "Ball. No, he didn't go" years ago and just say "Ball," and let the team appeal. So, I was taught something different, after years of saying "Ball. No, he didn't go," like I was originally taught in mid-80s.

[RichMSN]

And I was merely commenting that it looks arrogant to say "Ball, no he didn't go," like we used to be taught years ago. I have learned to welcome a strike from the BU if I missed one. Gets me closer to the end of the game!

Arrogant? It's the taught mechanic. I *always* say, "Ball. No, he didn't go" on a checked swing that I think is a ball. Has nothing to do with the eventual outcome -- I couldn't possibly care if my partner says that the batter went. Doesn't nothing to my credibility and *never* angers me. And I never say it to dissuade a team from asking. Hell, sometimes I'll call that and immediately ask myself.

How does that conversation with yourself eventually work out? Do you overrule yourself on appeal? We were told in no uncertain terms to stop saying "Ball. No, he didn't go" years ago and just say "Ball," and let the team appeal. So, I was taught something different, after years of saying "Ball. No, he didn't go," like I was originally taught in mid-80s.

Overrule myself? Old-time school of thinking. Asking a partner for additional information I did not have at the time? That's the ticket.

The PBUC manual still says, "All decisions on checked swings shall be called loudly and clearly by the plate umpire. If the pitch is a ball and the batter does not swing at the pitch, the mechanic to be used by the plate umpire is: "Ball; No he didn't go." If the pitch is a ball but the batter commits on the check swing, the mechanic to be used is: "Yes, he went," while pointing directly at the batter and then coming up with the strike motion."

[Jocko]

"All decisions on checked swings shall be called loudly and clearly by the plate umpire. If the pitch is a ball and the batter does not swing at the pitch, the mechanic to be used by the plate umpire is: "Ball; No he didn't go." If the pitch is a ball but the batter commits on the check swing, the mechanic to be used is: "Yes, he went," while pointing directly at the batter and then coming up with the strike motion"

Is this a direct quote from the PBUC manual in its entirety?

[Replacematt]

[How does that conversation with yourself eventually work out? Do you overrule yourself on appeal? We were told in no uncertain terms to stop saying "Ball. No, he didn't go" years ago and just say "Ball," and let the team appeal. So, I was taught something different, after years of saying "Ball. No, he didn't go," like I was originally taught in mid-80s.

Umm, far younger than you...still was taught "Ball. No, he didn't go."

[RichMSN]

"All decisions on checked swings shall be called loudly and clearly by the plate umpire. If the pitch is a ball and the batter does not swing at the pitch, the mechanic to be used by the plate umpire is: "Ball; No he didn't go." If the pitch is a ball but the batter commits on the check swing, the mechanic to be used is: "Yes, he went," while pointing directly at the batter and then coming up with the strike motion"

Is this a direct quote from the PBUC manual in its entirety?

Unless it's changed in the last 8 years or so, yes, it's a quote copied and pasted from a Word version I have.

[Jocko]

Expecting delivery of my pbuc ump manual and 2 man in a few days

[NCAAump2]

From what I was taught at OUTS this past spring from the Atlantic League and NWL supervisors, they want to hear either "Ball! No, he didn't go" or "Yes, he went."

[Jocko]

If you verbal the ball, why say he didn't go? If he'd gone, you wouln't call it a ball. Or if it was in the zon. So why chew the cud? If he didn't go, "Ball" gives all the info anyone needs.

Now, if you say it ADAMANTLY...... :fuel: :fuel:

[noumpere]

If you verbal the ball, why say he didn't go? If he'd gone, you wouln't call it a ball. Or if it was in the zon. So why chew the cud? If he didn't go, "Ball" gives all the info anyone needs.

Now, if you say it ADAMANTLY...... :fuel:

This kind of is like some of the discussions on here with Scott, but while I agree with you that the mechanic should be to not say anything, those that are in power at MiLB seem to thing that we should say "no he didnt." Take it or not to your local level, and I dont think it will cause much of a problem either way.

[Jocko]

If you verbal the ball, why say he didn't go? If he'd gone, you wouln't call it a ball. Or if it was in the zon. So why chew the cud? If he didn't go, "Ball" gives all the info anyone needs.

Now, if you say it ADAMANTLY...... :fuel:

This kind of is like some of the discussions on here with Scott, but while I agree with you that the mechanic should be to not say anything, those that are in power at MiLB seem to thing that we should say "no he didnt." Take it or not to your local level, and I dont think it will cause much of a problem either way.

hehehe. That was directly from that thread. I digress. Anyway, I don't work for PBUC. I'm just gonna ball it and wait for an appeal. Saturday I had a pityful partner. I went to him for a cs appeal and had to say "did he go?" twice. He finally got it, held his right hand mid chest area and waved it off : LOL. Dude was as crappy an umpire as I've ever seen. Total waste of cheap gear.

[MPLSMatt]

I prefer an effeminate "oh no he di' int" and a finger wag. Is this not the correct mechanic?

[scrounge]

I prefer an effeminate "oh no he di' int" and a finger wag. Is this not the correct mechanic?

I think it's ok in softball :D

[Jocko]

As long as you do it adamantly :D

[JHSump]

I prefer an effeminate "oh no he di' int" and a finger wag. Is this not the correct mechanic?

Hahaha ...that's hilarious!