Easy one today

[Paperipper17]

16U, I'm on the bases in C. R3, one out. Chopper to short, they get the out at first by three steps. B/R throws his hands up in the air as I give the call and yells "He pulled his foot!" Coach asks me to get help. I know he didn't, but I'm a fair guy, so I yell to my partner, "Jack, did he pull it?" Jack says "No he didn't." I give the out sign again, start to trot back to A. As I'm about 15 feet away, B/R says, "I saw it! his foot was HERE!" and stomps his foot into the clay about half a foot from the bag. I say "Don't you draw a-" and he kicks his foot straight back towards me, drawing a foot-long line in the dirt and getting clay on my polished, shiny base shoes. .

Aside from the dirt-kicking, am I right in assuming this is just like drawing a line in the dirt on a called strike three; an automatic toss for showing up the umpire?

[Guest]

16U, I'm on the bases in C. R3, one out. Chopper to short, they get the out at first by three steps. B/R throws his hands up in the air as I give the call and yells "He pulled his foot!" Coach asks me to get help. I know he didn't, but I'm a fair guy, so I yell to my partner, "Jack, did he pull it?" Jack says "No he didn't." I give the out sign again, start to trot back to A. As I'm about 15 feet away, B/R says, "I saw it! his foot was HERE!" and stomps his foot into the clay about half a foot from the bag. I say "Don't you draw a-" and he kicks his foot straight back towards me, drawing a foot-long line in the dirt and getting clay on my polished, shiny base shoes. .

Aside from the dirt-kicking, am I right in assuming this is just like drawing a line in the dirt on a called strike three; an automatic toss for showing up the umpire?

1) If you "know" that you made a correct call, don't ask for help.

2) Once you make a call on a player, do not yell across the field to get help.

Take one of two approaches to this:

Either hold off on your call and then ask for help across the field, or make the call and call for a conference.

3) Anytime anyone does anything to mimic any play, be it drawing a line in the dirt, hopping around to demonstrate a runner running off the baseline, etc etc, they're to be ejected. Otherwise the game will become a circus.

[Paperipper17]

Take one of two approaches to this:

Either hold off on your call and then ask for help across the field, or make the call and call for a conference.

10-4

Thanks for the advice

[JaxRolo]

1) If you "know" that you made a correct call, don't ask for help.

Nothing wrong with asking for help, Specially on a possible pulled foot.

2) Once you make a call on a player, do not yell across the field to get help.

Take one of two approaches to this:

Either hold off on your call and then ask for help across the field, or make the call and call for a conference.

I probably would had called time and gone to talk to PU and asked if he had a pulled foot.

3) Anytime anyone does anything to mimic any play, be it drawing a line in the dirt, hopping around to demonstrate a runner running off the baseline, etc etc, they're to be ejected. Otherwise the game will become a circus.

Automatic ejection.

[spiritumpa]

if you are sure he did not pull his foot--stick with your call and tell the coach you had a GOOD look at it and play on--by going to your partner you are telling others you did not see the play--you get paid to see the play--see it ,call it, stick with it!!!!!!

[Guest]

Nothing wrong with asking for help, Specially on a possible pulled foot.

Yes there is, in this instance.

The OP clearly says he is confident of the call.

Asking for help here, to borrow a term from Jim Evans, is patchwork umpiring.

You have a job to do and so does your partner. Make your own calls.

Yes, there are undoubtedly situations where going for help is absolutely required, however, making a habit of doing this on a regular basis this is unacceptable.

[mstaylor]

If you are confident then stick with it. If you aren't sure then ask on your own. As far as your player, dump his butt. As you said, it's an easy one.

[Stan W.]

If you are confident then stick with it. If you aren't sure then ask on your own. As far as your player, dump his butt. As you said, it's an easy one.

Mike nails it..............quote me as +1

[Dragon29]

Nothing wrong with asking for help, Specially on a possible pulled foot.

Gotta agree w/ump_24 & others on this one. I used to think otherwise.

I used to think going for help when I didn't really need it was a good thing. I thought it made me appear to be more cooperative &/or nice - it didn't. It made me appear uncertain and weak.

If you need help, by all means go get it.

If you don't need help, learn to look the manager in the eye and say, "I don't need help, Skip." and then walk back to your position.

[JaxRolo]

Gotta agree w/ump_24 & others on this one. I used to think otherwise.

I used to think going for help when I didn't really need it was a good thing. I thought it made me appear to be more cooperative &/or nice - it didn't. It made me appear uncertain and weak.

If you need help, by all means go get it.

If you don't need help, learn to look the manager in the eye and say, "I don't need help, Skip." and then walk back to your position.

I can see your point and I am not arguing the point whatsoever.

I think the main reason I see it the way I do because when I started Umpiring last year I was working the game as PU and we had a close one at 1st where I definitely saw a pulled foot and BU did not. He called the runner out. Coach asked him to get help and BU refused saying that he was 100% sure he didn't pull the foot.

[Mike Prince]

I can see your point and I am not arguing the point whatsoever.

I think the main reason I see it the way I do because when I started Umpiring last year I was working the game as PU and we had a close one at 1st where I definitely saw a pulled foot and BU did not. He called the runner out. Coach asked him to get help and BU refused saying that he was 100% sure he didn't pull the foot.

But bottom line it is the BU's call. If he doesn't ask for help you don't offer it, you can have that conversation after the game in the parking lot.

[LMSANS]

In an adult league game a couple of years ago, I was PU. BU called a guy out even though F3 pulled his foot about 2 feet off the base. I kept looking at him to ask me for help. Instead, BR and the coach decided to use some profanity and yell stupid stuff. They both got ejected.

The catcher just looked at me and said "wow!"

In the parking lot, my partner said he would not have come to me because he was in A when the play started and there was no way he could miss it. I agreed that there was no way he should have missed it, but he did.

Have not had the opportunity to work with him again. Alas.

[mstaylor]

In an adult league game a couple of years ago, I was PU. BU called a guy out even though F3 pulled his foot about 2 feet off the base. I kept looking at him to ask me for help. Instead, BR and the coach decided to use some profanity and yell stupid stuff. They both got ejected.

The catcher just looked at me and said "wow!"

In the parking lot, my partner said he would not have come to me because he was in A when the play started and there was no way he could miss it. I agreed that there was no way he should have missed it, but he did.

Have not had the opportunity to work with him again. Alas.

Did you ask if he was ever a place kicker because as hard as he kicked that one he has a future.