Putting Ball In Play On An Appeal

[BlueKen]

Watched the Triple Crown World Series championship game for 9U from Steamboat Springs this weekend on TV. There was a play where batter hits the ball to the OF. Outfielder catches it and R2 tags up appropriately and runs to 3rd.

Time was called (can't remember why) and defense wanted to appeal that the runner left early. So F1 got on the rubber with the ball, stepped off, turned and threw to F4 who stepped on the bag and PU gave safe sign.

While this went on, R2, who was on 3rd, ran home and scored. But umpires ruled that ball was not in play and he had to go back to 3rd.

Announcers didn't mention why the ball wasn't live. The ball has to be put in play for an appeal after a dead ball, so why couldn't runner go home at his own risk?

They play high school rules, the announcers said.

[BrianC14]

Watched the Triple Crown World Series championship game for 9U from Steamboat Springs this weekend on TV. There was a play where batter hits the ball to the OF. Outfielder catches it and R2 tags up appropriately and runs to 3rd.

Time was called (can't remember why) and defense wanted to appeal that the runner left early. So F1 got on the rubber with the ball, stepped off, turned and threw to F4 who stepped on the bag and PU gave safe sign.

While this went on, R2, who was on 3rd, ran home and scored. But umpires ruled that ball was not in play and he had to go back to 3rd.

Announcers didn't mention why the ball wasn't live. The ball has to be put in play for an appeal after a dead ball, so why couldn't runner go home at his own risk?

They play high school rules, the announcers said.

If that's the case, then the ball is indeed dead, because FED rules have a dead ball appeal.

There's no reason for F1 to toe the pitcher's plate and make the throw to the base - the appeal can be handled simply by throwing the ball to F4 or F6 and have him step on the bag.

[Umpire in Chief]

Thats actually a smart play by rhe offense if they know their guy didn't tag in time. Try and draw them into making a play on him and taking away their appeal ability.

[zm1283]

Thats actually a smart play by rhe offense if they know their guy didn't tag in time. Try and draw them into making a play on him and taking away their appeal ability.

Not in FED.

[Rich Ives]

If that's the case, then the ball is indeed dead, because FED rules have a dead ball appeal.

There's no reason for F1 to toe the pitcher's plate and make the throw to the base - the appeal can be handled simply by throwing the ball to F4 or F6 and have him step on the bag.

On a FED dead ball appeal you don't even have to do that - the manager just says "Thr runner left 2B too soon" or whatever.

[calablue]

Thats actually a smart play by rhe offense if they know their guy didn't tag in time. Try and draw them into making a play on him and taking away their appeal ability.

Not in NCAA either. In NCAA, if the offense initiates the play, the defense does not lose their right to appeal. ( 8-6-b-(4)

Edited August 10, 2010 by calablue

[PeteBooth]

Time was called (can't remember why) and defense wanted to appeal that the runner left early. So F1 got on the rubber with the ball, stepped off, turned and threw to F4 who stepped on the bag and PU gave safe sign.

While this went on, R2, who was on 3rd, ran home and scored. But umpires ruled that ball was not in play and he had to go back to 3rd.

They play high school rules, the announcers said.

The KEY Ingredient EVEN in FED

So F1 got on the rubber with the ball, stepped off, turned and threw to F4 who stepped on the bag and PU gave safe sign.

Did the PU put the ball in play?

In FED you can make a dead ball appeal (if you want to) but it is NOT necessary. Therefore, IF the PU did in fact put the ball in play and R3 scored, then the run would stand.

In a nusthell in order to answer properly we need to KNOW whether or not the PU put the ball back into play again.

Reason I ask is due to the following

R2, who was on 3rd, ran home and scored.

If the ball was dead why did the umpires allow this to happen in the first place. The umpires should have signalled TIME when they saw R2 coming home IF the ball was dead.

Pete Booth

[yawetag]

Watched the Triple Crown World Series championship game for 9U from Steamboat Springs this weekend on TV. There was a play where batter hits the ball to the OF. Outfielder catches it and R2 tags up appropriately and runs to 3rd.

Time was called (can't remember why) and defense wanted to appeal that the runner left early. So F1 got on the rubber with the ball, stepped off, turned and threw to F4 who stepped on the bag and PU gave safe sign.

I'm assuming this was a 4- or 6-man crew? If so, why is the PU answering the appeal at 2B? Wouldn't this have been one of the base umpire's call?