3B Feet In Fair Territory

[Rich Ives]

That's due to whiny rats thinking they know the rules and MLB bowing down concerning this issue. Once the ball is in play, fielders can station themselves in foul territory if they wish. One of the only instances that this would be beneficial is when backing up 1st or 3rd on an appeal play.

Actually, backing up an appeal in foul territory is legal - made so by interpretation in the MLBUM.

Otherwise the fielders have to be in fair territory. Why do you think they don't back up home on an IBB? Because it's illegal.

4.03© Except the pitcher and the catcher, any fielder may station himself anywhere in fair territory.

Conflicts with the "put in play" rule doesn't it? Gee, which one should get enforced? MLB says 4.03© - be in fair territory. And really it's not a conflict - start fair - stay fair.

Edited July 30, 2010 by Rich Ives

[Ump29]

I still stand by my belief. Once the ball is put into play, a player is not prohibited, by the rule book, from positioning himself in foul territory.

[Ros@]

Guys I still have a problem with the use of "appeal".

Again..... it may be my english, but for me appealing a play is when f.e. a baserunner did not made contact with a base and proceed running towards the next base and reaches that one safe. On appeal of a fielder, the ump calls out when the ball reaches the fielder on the base the baserunner missed. You surely know what I'm talking about here eventhough my example or the explanation hereof stinks. whahaha.

What do you guys mean when saying "backing up an appeal play" I do not get this yet.

I need simplier english words but I would rather prefer the explanation in Papiamentu if possible.

:clap:

[Rich Ives]

I still stand by my belief. Once the ball is put into play, a player is not prohibited, by the rule book, from positioning himself in foul territory.

Your new, right?

There are many places where the meaning of the rule is not exactly what the rule book says. For that reason the MLBUM and PBUC manuals have been published to present how the rules should be interpreted.

In addition, Jim Evans wrote a book on the rules (called the JEA) and Rick Roder and Chris Jaksa wrote a book (called the J/R). They are used to train pro umpires and cover how a rule should be implemented.

Examples (some have been quite recently "fixed" - some haven't)

Pitcher making a jump turn pickoff throw from the rubber - balk or not?

Runner deviating more than three feet from a direct line between bases to avoid a tag - out or not?

Batter hit by a batted ball in the fair portion of the batter's box - out or not?

Catcher cannot leave the catcher's box on an IBB until the pitcher has released the pitch - true or false?

Base coaches have to stay in the coaching box - true or false?

The ball is dead on any interference (see 2.00) - true or false?

The batter-runner is obstructed before reaching first base on a fly ball that is caught. Is the B-R awarded first?

So now - read 4.03© again - fielders have to station themselves in FAIR territory - true or false? They also have to be there when the ball is put in play - 4.03. And the MLBUM says to enforce F3 being in fair territory if someone complains. Where do they have to be?

Edited July 31, 2010 by Rich Ives

[Rich Ives]

Guys I still have a problem with the use of "appeal".

Again..... it may be my english, but for me appealing a play is when f.e. a baserunner did not made contact with a base and proceed running towards the next base and reaches that one safe. On appeal of a fielder, the ump calls out when the ball reaches the fielder on the base the baserunner missed. You surely know what I'm talking about here eventhough my example or the explanation hereof stinks. whahaha.

What do you guys mean when saying "backing up an appeal play" I do not get this yet.

I need simplier english words but I would rather prefer the explanation in Papiamentu if possible.

Suppose the ball was made dead after the base was missed but before the appeal was made. So the pitcher gets the ball on the rubber, the ball is made live, the pithcher legally disengages (not actually necessary) and throws to 1B for an appeal. If he accidentl;y threw the ball over F3's head the runner could advance, so it would be nice if another player could back up the throw just in case.

And BTW - the MLBUM says in this case it's legal.

[Ros@]

Suppose the ball was made dead after the base was missed but before the appeal was made. So the pitcher gets the ball on the rubber, the ball is made live, the pithcher legally disengages (not actually necessary) and throws to 1B for an appeal. If he accidentl;y threw the ball over F3's head the runner could advance, so it would be nice if another player could back up the throw just in case.

And BTW - the MLBUM says in this case it's legal.

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Ok, it's the same I thought you guys were reffering to but now this:

I do not know what the abreviation IBB stands for and in one of the posts before they mentioned something like:

You do not see them backing up the plate ..... (I cann't post both comments)

And here I see that all the time. Whenever there is R3, and R anywhere else and a fly is batted to outfield, F1 position himself after F2 (in foul territory) -sometime even behind the ump who is there to make the call- in order to back-up if needed.

Hope you understand what I am refering to and are able to explain this as well.

Thanks again for your help.

[ukce1861]

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Ok, it's the same I thought you guys were reffering to but now this:

I do not know what the abreviation IBB stands for and in one of the posts before they mentioned something like:

You do not see them backing up the plate ..... (I cann't post both comments)

And here I see that all the time. Whenever there is R3, and R anywhere else and a fly is batted to outfield, F1 position himself after F2 (in foul territory) -sometime even behind the ump who is there to make the call- in order to back-up if needed.

Hope you understand what I am refering to and are able to explain this as well.

Thanks again for your help.

IBB is an Intentional Base on Balls - an intentional walk.

You're right, once play has begun, a fielder can go into foul territory, like you mention. However, they cannot go into foul territory before the pitch is delivered.

[Ros@]

IBB is an Intentional Base on Balls - an intentional walk.

You're right, once play has begun, a fielder can go into foul territory, like you mention. However, they cannot go into foul territory before the pitch is delivered.

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OK GUYS, I'm cristal clear on this. The IBB was the key here....whahaha

Sory but I believe the lack on abreviation is playing a huge part on this and I hope you will all endure my "incompetance" till I learn all abrev. Be aware I have already asked Umpire in Chief to help me out with a list cause I knew it will play it parts here on me...whahaha....

AND PLEASE.... pardon my english as I know it is not the best you have seen.

[yawetag]

Sory but I believe the lack on abreviation is playing a huge part on this and I hope you will all endure my "incompetance" till I learn all abrev.

I'm sure you've noticed most of the abbreviations can be "hovered" with the mouse, which will give you the full information.

Warren, could we get IBB added to the list?

[Rich Ives]

I'm sure you've noticed most of the abbreviations can be "hovered" with the mouse, which will give you the full information.

Warren, could we get IBB added to the list?

Along with MLBUM, PBUC, JEA.

The MLBUM is the ultimate authority and should be labeled "MLB/OBR Official Interpretations"

The PBUC id the ultimate authorty for MiLB - mirrors the MLBUM, and should be labeled "MiLB Official Interpretatations".

J/R and JEA should be labeled "Generally Accepted Authoritative Opinion on Rules"

[yawetag]

Along with MLBUM, PBUC, JEA.

The MLBUM is the ultimate authority and should be labeled "MLB/OBR Official Interpretations"

The PBUC id the ultimate authorty for MiLB - mirrors the MLBUM, and should be labeled "MiLB Official Interpretatations".

J/R and JEA should be labeled "Generally Accepted Authoritative Opinion on Rules"

Personally, they should at least state what they are. This would aid in any confusion for newbies. If possible, also the description Rich gave:

MLBUM - Major League Baseball Umpire's Manual: MLB/OBR Official Interpretations

PBUC - Professional Baseball Umpire Corp: MiLB Official Interpretatations

J/R - Jaska/Roder: Generally Accepted Authoritative Opinion on Rules

JEA - Jim Evans Annotated OBR: Generally Accepted Authoritative Opinion on Rules