OBR DH question

[zm1283]

Forgive my ignorance, but in this area there are very few games played under OBR. FED it is most of the time.

DH is in the 7 spot for F1. (obviously)

I know the DH can enter the game and play defense, and he keeps batting in the 7 spot. The way it happened was the DH went to third base, the pitcher left the game, and the third baseman went to the mound. (He was in the 8 spot)

I know this is fine under FED rules, but I'm confused under OBR. The relevant part of the OBR rule says:

The Designated Hitter may be used defensively, continuing to bat in the same position in the batting order, but the pitcher must then bat in the place of the substituted defensive player, unless more than one substitution is made, and the manager then must designate their spots in the batting order.

A runner

Can the pitcher's spot (Being DH'd for) simply be eliminated because the DH enters the game on defense?

[Tyennie]

I would consider this a multiple substitution - DH is coming into to play 3rd, and the original F5 is going to the hill. further on in the DH rule it states "if a defensive player goes to the mound (ie replaces game pitcher) this move shall terminate the DH position for the remainder of the game." (PBUC pg 14) And this is essentially what you have.

[buddywilshire]

I would consider this a multiple substitution - DH is coming into to play 3rd, and the original F5 is going to the hill. further on in the DH rule it states "if a defensive player goes to the mound (ie replaces game pitcher) this move shall terminate the DH position for the remainder of the game." (PBUC pg 14) And this is essentially what you have.

That is what I got. Now when a new pitcher comes in he has to hit in the spot that the new pitcher was batting in.

[Rich Ives]

DH went to 3B. 3B went to pitcher. Pitcher went out.

Everybody keeps batting in whatever slot they were in.

No more DH now.

Treat it like a 9 player game.

[zm1283]

DH went to 3B. 3B went to pitcher. Pitcher went out.

Everybody keeps batting in whatever slot they were in.

No more DH now.

Treat it like a 9 player game.

That's what I did. Thanks.

[PeteBooth]

Forgive my ignorance, but in this area there are very few games played under OBR. FED it is most of the time.

DH is in the 7 spot for F1. (obviously)

Can the pitcher's spot (Being DH'd for) simply be eliminated because the DH enters the game on defense?

Rich gave you the answer BUT suppose F5 left the game and the manager brought in a NEW F1. That NEW F1 now bats in F5's spot because the DH is done for the day.

Pete Booth

[mstaylor]

We had this in a wooden bat regional the other day. SS went to mound, pitcher leaves and new player goes to SS. Somehow the manager convinced the umpire crew that old SS/new pitcher would no longer bat leaving the DH in tact. I was scoring the game and when he gave me the change I told him the DH was dead, the SS/pitcher batted in his spot and the new player batted in the DH spot. The PU got angry and told me to quit second guessing him. I am the rules interpreter so who better to know the right way. They were on defense so I let it go until I could look it up, then I fied it. Just because the DH didn't enter the game doesn't mean he can't be ellimminated.

[noumpere]

We had this in a wooden bat regional the other day. SS went to mound, pitcher leaves and new player goes to SS. Somehow the manager convinced the umpire crew that old SS/new pitcher would no longer bat leaving the DH in tact. I was scoring the game and when he gave me the change I told him the DH was dead, the SS/pitcher batted in his spot and the new player batted in the DH spot. The PU got angry and told me to quit second guessing him. I am the rules interpreter so who better to know the right way. They were on defense so I let it go until I could look it up, then I fied it. Just because the DH didn't enter the game doesn't mean he can't be ellimminated.

Under what rules code?

[mstaylor]

OBR

Tyennie:

You posted above:I would consider this a multiple substitution - DH is coming into to play 3rd, and the original F5 is going to the hill. further on in the DH rule it states "if a defensive player goes to the mound (ie replaces game pitcher) this move shall terminate the DH position for the remainder of the game." (PBUC pg 14) And this is essentially what you have.

This is not a multiple sub, it is a single sub with two defensive moves. A double sub means two players actually enter and then the manager decides where everybody bats.

Edited August 16, 2010 by mstaylor