Check Swing - 3-man system

[Grip]

Can you clarify for me who has got the check swing for a left handed hitter in a 3-man system when there is R1 and the 3rd base umpire is on the line between 1st & 2nd waiting for the steal? Are you still going to the "open side" umpire (U3) or the man on the line at 1st?

[BrianC14]

Can you clarify for me who has got the check swing for a left handed hitter in a 3-man system when there is R1 and the 3rd base umpire is on the line between 1st & 2nd waiting for the steal? Are you still going to the "open side" umpire (U3) or the man on the line at 1st?

You get help from U3 on that.

By the way, it's a lot easier to simply say "U3 is in B", rather than "on the line between 1st & 2nd". This is because there is no line between 1st & second.

Now, that said, with R1 and a LH batter, U3's best position is away from the power side, so he'd be in C.

[semper_fi_72]

Can you clarify for me who has got the check swing for a left handed hitter in a 3-man system when there is R1 and the 3rd base umpire is on the line between 1st & 2nd waiting for the steal? Are you still going to the "open side" umpire (U3) or the man on the line at 1st?

Why would he be in B Position between 1st and 2nd?

He would be in C Position and with a LH Batter you would go to him for a check swing appeal.

[noumpere]

The general standard is to go to the umpire on the open side.

NCAA is considering changing so you always go the the umpire on the line. I think some independent MiLB leagues do this.

[mazzamouth]

Why would he be in B Position between 1st and 2nd?

He would be in C Position and with a LH Batter you would go to him for a check swing appeal.

with a runner on 1st U3 is in a "deep B" he will be positioned on the 3rd base side of 2nd or a "deep C" ... with a RH batter the Umpire has the choice as to which side of 2nd to stand on.

[mazzamouth]

The general standard is to go to the umpire on the open side.

NCAA is considering changing so you always go the the umpire on the line. I think some independent MiLB leagues do this.

Only cause the National Coordinator used to be a MiLB guy..I like it how it is.

[BrianC14]

with a runner on 1st U3 is in a "deep B" he will be positioned on the 3rd base side of 2nd or a "deep C" ... with a RH batter the Umpire has the choice as to which side of 2nd to stand on.

Yes, that's what I meant by "away from the power". :yippie:

[BrianC14]

The general standard is to go to the umpire on the open side.

NCAA is considering changing so you always go the the umpire on the line. I think some independent MiLB leagues do this.

Well that ought to make things interesting.... you have the situation as stated in the OP, and the appeal will be made to U1 simply because he's on the line? And looking in behind the LH batter? :yippie:

[Big Red]

Well that ought to make things interesting.... you have the situation as stated in the OP, and the appeal will be made to U1 simply because he's on the line? And looking in behind the LH batter?

I originally posted this info in the softball section, but during this year's NCAA WCWS, and even the Super Regionals, I noticed on several occassions and w/ 5 different umpires...regardless of whether the batter is LH or RH, or where the BUs are, during a check swing situation the PU would go to U3, regardless of their position. So, you'd get appeals just like Brian mentions.

Thought it was a mistake the first couple times I saw it; however, after seeing it those several times, I had to wonder.

But during the championship game between ASU & UCLA, PU would follow "normal" mechanics and go to U1 on a RH batter and U3 on a LH batter.

Anyways, not sure if it's something NCAA is looking at for both softball & baseball (don't recall seeing that watching the baseball Super Regionals and CWS so far), but seemed to go against everything I'd been taught on 3-man mechanics.

[noumpere]

Well that ought to make things interesting.... you have the situation as stated in the OP, and the appeal will be made to U1 simply because he's on the line? And looking in behind the LH batter?

Well, in college it's ruled a strike if the barrel passes the front edge of home plate or the batter's front hip. Both are probably easier to tell from the line than from the middle (although I concede that there are times when the umpire on the line might be blocked out from the front of the plate).

[ukce1861]

Thought it was a mistake the first couple times I saw it; however, after seeing it those several times, I had to wonder.

But during the championship game between ASU & UCLA, PU would follow "normal" mechanics and go to U1 on a RH batter and U3 on a LH batter.

Anyways, not sure if it's something NCAA is looking at for both softball & baseball (don't recall seeing that watching the baseball Super Regionals and CWS so far), but seemed to go against everything I'd been taught on 3-man mechanics.

I may be wrong, but I thought I read somewhere that the Championship in softball was going to be 4-man, but all other games were 3-man. If so, this might be why they went were you'd expect on the check swing, since U1 and U3 were always on the line. Weren't the Super Regionals in BB 4-man? So again, you'd always have an ump on the line. I could be wrong...:smachhead: