Why not a balk?

[calablue]

OK guys, I read the rules and read the rules and read the rules some more. I understand most of them but I keep coming back to a this one and I can't understand what the reasoning is for the approved ruling at the end of rule 8.05 that says " With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base. " Could someone please give me some kind of logical explanation for this statement ??

And also, has anyone ever actually seen a pitcher step and throw to a base from the windup position ?? :big_no

[moblue]

And also, has anyone ever actually seen a pitcher step and throw to a base from the windup position ??

I wouldn't doubt I have as many Cal Ripken games as I've done. Sad thing is I didn't find out till last year that you couldn't throw to a base from the windoff, so no telling how many of those I've missed.

[Pops]

OK guys, I read the rules and read the rules and read the rules some more. I understand most of them but I keep coming back to a this one and I can't understand what the reasoning is for the approved ruling at the end of rule 8.05 that says " With a runner on first base the pitcher may make a complete turn, without hesitating toward first, and throw to second. This is not to be interpreted as throwing to an unoccupied base. " Could someone please give me some kind of logical explanation for this statement ??

And also, has anyone ever actually seen a pitcher step and throw to a base from the windup position ??

This rule was designed for the situation where F1 is in the set position and the runner on first breaks for second base before the pitch is made. F1 can keep his foot on the rubber and spin his nonpivot foot past the direction of 1B and continue on toward 2B where the play can be made. Without this rule, it would be a balk if F1 stopped the pickoff to 1B while on the rubber.

[Pops]

I wouldn't doubt I have as many Cal Ripken games as I've done. Sad thing is I didn't find out till last year that you couldn't throw to a base from the windoff, so no telling how many of those I've missed.

In OBR you can throw to a base while in the windup position on the rubber. In Fed you can not.

[yawetag]

In OBR you can throw to a base while in the windup position on the rubber. In Fed you can not.

For this rule, Fed means that you can't do it while on the rubber, correct? I've had pitchers in windup, step off, then throw.

[calablue]

I wouldn't doubt I have as many Cal Ripken games as I've done. Sad thing is I didn't find out till last year that you couldn't throw to a base from the windoff, so no telling how many of those I've missed.

The rule says you CAN THROW TO A BASE FROM THE WINDUP.

[calablue]

This rule was designed for the situation where F1 is in the set position and the runner on first breaks for second base before the pitch is made. F1 can keep his foot on the rubber and spin his nonpivot foot past the direction of 1B and continue on toward 2B where the play can be made. Without this rule, it would be a balk if F1 stopped the pickoff to 1B while on the rubber.

OK, that makes sense to me. I think what was confusing me was the fact that a pitcher can throw to an unoccuopied base to make a play, so why was this interp necessary? Also, because there is no mention of the runner taking off. Now I see that if he spun toward first and didn't make the throw there it would be a balk without this interp. Thanks :rollinglaugh:

[calablue]

In OBR you can throw to a base while in the windup position on the rubber. In Fed you can not.

I know the rules allow it. But has anyone ever seen it? I have never seen it happen. :rollinglaugh:

[SRP]

I know the rules allow it. But has anyone ever seen it? I have never seen it happen.

I've seen it as a coach at USSSA tournaments. First time was but PU explained it as a USSSA rule. I haven't seen it used anywhere but USSSA tournaments and it's becoming more common in Colorado at 13U and 12U.

Steve

[mstaylor]

Yes, I've seen a pitcher pick from the wind-up. I taught it to all my pitchers when I coached. It is not a USSSA rule, it is an OBR rule, also college. Basicly it is legal in any ruleset except Fed.

As far as swinging to second counterclockwise, this is legal as long as you are picking to second or the runner is stealing. If nobody is on second or R1 isn'tbreaking then it is throwing to an unoccupied base.

Somehow I missed this thread.

[BrianC14]

I wouldn't doubt I have as many Cal Ripken games as I've done. Sad thing is I didn't find out till last year that you couldn't throw to a base from the windoff, so no telling how many of those I've missed.

What the heck is a windoff?

:confused:

[JaxRolo]

What the heck is a windoff?

http://www.windoff.com/ :wave:

[DirtyDawg]

http://www.windoff.com/

Apparently it's a french window company

[moblue]

What the heck is a windoff?

Nice catch. lol. I can't believe you've never heard of that though. Without runners on the pitcher throws from the windoff, with runners on he pitches from the slinky. When in the slinky position, he has to stoppy before pitching.

I know that wasn't really fun, but it was worth a try.

[mstaylor]

Brian is so sarcastic. I love it. :shrug:

[yawetag]

Nice catch. lol. I can't believe you've never heard of that though. Without runners on the pitcher throws from the windoff, with runners on he pitches from the slinky. When in the slinky position, he has to stoppy before pitching.

These are Missouri rules, people. Step along.

[Big Red]

What the heck is a windoff?

In the Midwest, it's a jerkoff gone horribly wrong! ;)