[B]Breaking up a DP?[/B]

[kwiggie]

I thought I had my head wrapped around this but am now questioning my interp. after reading another post a while ago.

My general thought was that fed has made it impossible to break up a dp legally. So I did some digging and found this:

1. rules book 2-32-1: If a runner slides he must be at least within reach of the base with a hand or foot.

This ruling I don't think should be applied since I believe it is refering to non-force sit, runner just trying to avoid a tag. yn?

rules book 2-32-2: A slide is illegal if

b. The runners raised leg is higher then the fielder's knee...

f. The runner, on a force play does not slide on the ground in a direct line between the bases.

This however, addresses the force slide play in f and could be interpetid (combined with that the runner has the means to break up a dp legally if the fielder is on or in front of his base. yn?

I mention "on" or "in front of" the base because of rule book 2-32-2.c

Is this sit a potential legal break-up for the runner, or is their still a "must avoid contact to alter the play" rule that is in play?

[JamesC]

The way I look at it is that basically the only way a runner can legally break up a double play in FED is if the fielder is on or infront of the bag. As long as the runner slides directly into the bag and does not slide AT ALL past the bag, or does not stand up once he hits the bag, then he has executed a legal slide. If, however, as you stated the feet are above knee level, the runner slides to either side of the bag, or he slides past the bag, I would consider that an illegal slide and get 'em both (on force plays)!

[yawetag]

The way I look at it is that basically the only way a runner can legally break up a double play in FED is if the fielder is on or infront of the bag. As long as the runner slides directly into the bag and does not slide AT ALL past the bag, or does not stand up once he hits the bag, then he has executed a legal slide. If, however, as you stated the feet are above knee level, the runner slides to either side of the bag, or he slides past the bag, I would consider that an illegal slide and get 'em both (on force plays)!

This is exactly how I understand it as well.

[noumpere]

As long as the runner slides directly into the bag and does not slide AT ALL past the bag,

The runner can legally make contact in front of or on top of the base and then continue the slide past the base. It's only when the runner slides past the base and THEN makes contact that this type of slide is illegal.

[kwiggie]

The runner can legally make contact in front of or on top of the base and then continue the slide past the base. It's only when the runner slides past the base and THEN makes contact that this type of slide is illegal.

This is what I am thinking after re-reading 2-32-2.c