How to handle and situation

[mazzamouth]

This is really a good way to handle a coach coming out to argue/talk.. notch how long Bellino listen before he says anything, there is no need for umpires to talk until the coach is done.

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=14339805

[mstaylor]

Excellent video.

[Guest]

Boy, you Wendelstedt guys really have a hard-on for Danny B eh?

(Kidding)

In seriousness, the kid is a stud for a reason. Here is reason #72.

[UmpJM]

Dan is an "alum" of my association. Great guy. As he worked his way through the minors, he would regularly come back to help instruct at our annual pre-season clinic.

We are quite proud of him.

My favorite thing about the video is what he did when Quade went to "show him" how the pivot man came off the bag.

JM

[mazzamouth]

Boy, you Wendelstedt guys really have a hard-on for Danny B eh?

(Kidding)

In seriousness, the kid is a stud for a reason. Here is reason #72.

Hey came to teach us for a week after he got back from the Winter leagues, he is a pretty good guy. Not very loud.

[mazzamouth]

My favorite thing about the video is what he did when Quade went to "show him" how the pivot man came off the bag.

JM

I love how he just stood there and didn't even look or move toward Quade when he went to 2nd..LOL

[dumbdumb]

How do they teach you to handle this situation at the schools??? Wouldn't Quade have been ejected for walking over there had Bellino not already run him. This is where we need you guys who went to the school's to elaborate on what they teach and why.

Still doesn't mean anybody has to listen, but they can at least know why Bellino didn't walk over with him, and what would Bellino do if he had not already ejected Quade before he walked over.

Personally, it looks like from this EJ it is best to get in a neutral area to hear the managers point of view, and then if he wants to go running over and start motioning in the around the area where the play happened you can eject him for going over there to show you up, rather than arguing the call with you right where both of you are. There is no need for the manager to go running over to he base and start all the pointing and hand and arm flapping.

Both the manager and the umpire know what the argument is about from the beginning. Quade just tried to show him up by going over to the bag area, just like a batter drawing a line. IMHO he would have been run for going over there had he not already been run.

And yes, Bellino is a phenom that they obviously moved up ASAP. It does not matter which school he went to, nor would it have mattered which he signed up for. A phenom is a phenom. There have always been some phenoms that have come through the system from all the different schools over the years, going back before Harry and Jim's time.

[sdix00]

I am a pretty big DB fan as well. We use his clips to train new umpires more than any other umpire (even though he has fewer clips on MLB.com than perhaps any other umpire.)

This is another one for the library.

All that said, no one commented on the actual call?

[mstaylor]

Question, where the devil was any other member of his crew. He dumps him, the manager walks all the way to second and back, yaks a little more and then walks away. Not another umpire is in the camera shot at all.

[Mr Umpire]

Question, where the devil was any other member of his crew. He dumps him, the manager walks all the way to second and back, yaks a little more and then walks away. Not another umpire is in the camera shot at all.

No need. It was 1 on 1 and Dan was not trying to get away from him. If another showed up or Dan showed he was tired of talking to the manager or it was never going to end, then one may have come over. Since none of that took place, for this level only, no others tried to intervene. Anything below pro baseball, then the partner better be intervening.

[mazzamouth]

we are taught at school and PBUC to not let a manager show you were he missed ( it is called demonstrating, inciting) .. notice how Dan let him talk 1st.. then he told him what he had, twice.. the Manager must have said something.

So now he is EJ.. who cares where he goes.. they told us let him go.. thee is no need to follow him as now you ( the umpire) looks like the aggressor. Dan just stood there and let him go and do this thing, and he waited for him to come back.. still not getting all crazy on the manager. Once a coach/manager is walking away let him go, the umpire does not nee to get in the last word.

[dumbdumb]

we are taught at school and PBUC to not let a manager show you were he missed ( it is called demonstrating, inciting) .. notice how Dan let him talk 1st.. then he told him what he had, twice.. the Manager must have said something.

So now he is EJ.. who cares where he goes.. they told us let him go.. thee is no need to follow him as now you ( the umpire) looks like the aggressor. Dan just stood there and let him go and do this thing, and he waited for him to come back.. still not getting all crazy on the manager. Once a coach/manager is walking away let him go, the umpire does not nee to get in the last word.

So, what if Quade had not "said" something "wrong" first to get ejected? Then, he proceeds to walk away from the argument to go demonstrate/incite over at 2nd base like he did.

Obviously, from the first part of your answer they teach you not to follow the manager over to the base. But, what about the 2nd part, when the manager stops arguing to go over to the base. What are you taught to do then? "If" he is ejected for this, is it as he turns goes to go over to 2nd, since he may already have turned his back to you if your not thinking he would do this, or do you eject when he turns around to come back and is looking at you? Or???, do you not eject at all.

What does the school teach for going over like Quade did in a case where he has not been ejected yet during the face to face verbal part yet. Thanks

[yawetag]

What does the school teach for going over like Quade did in a case where he has not been ejected yet during the face to face verbal part yet. Thanks

In this one, Dan would have gotten him the second it was obvious he was heading to the base to demonstrate. If you're closer to the base, similar to a player drawing a line at the plate, you eject the moment they start it.

In no circumstance should an umpire allow a player or coach to demonstrate anything on the field.

[Mr Umpire]

So, what if Quade had not "said" something "wrong" first to get ejected? Then, he proceeds to walk away from the argument to go demonstrate/incite over at 2nd base like he did.

Obviously, from the first part of your answer they teach you not to follow the manager over to the base. But, what about the 2nd part, when the manager stops arguing to go over to the base. What are you taught to do then? "If" he is ejected for this, is it as he turns goes to go over to 2nd, since he may already have turned his back to you if your not thinking he would do this, or do you eject when he turns around to come back and is looking at you? Or???, do you not eject at all.

What does the school teach for going over like Quade did in a case where he has not been ejected yet during the face to face verbal part yet. Thanks

Warn him before he gets to the spot where he is going. Something like "Coach, stay here and talk to me instead of going over there." If he continues or demonstrates, eject him then. Don't wait for him to turn around. By then, it will be late and look bad for the umpire.

[mazzamouth]

So, what if Quade had not "said" something "wrong" first to get ejected? Then, he proceeds to walk away from the argument to go demonstrate/incite over at 2nd base like he did.

If he goes over to the base to show you.. EJ for demonstrating.... cause in a way he is showing you, by telling everyone he thinks you missed it.

[mazzamouth]

This is also the same as a coach waving his arms and flapping them around, or taking off his hat while he is talking.... all no no's