Runners Lane

[Jglopez7]

Bases loaded, no outs. Batter hits a ground ball to third who throws home for the force but is safe. F2 throws to first where the batter runner is outside the runners lane. Do you enforce the violation then return ALL runners back TOP ? Or allow the run to count, enforce the violation then return runners time of infraction ? 

[jimurrayalterego]

57 minutes ago, Jglopez7 said:

Bases loaded, no outs. Batter hits a ground ball to third who throws home for the force but is safe. F2 throws to first where the batter runner is outside the runners lane. Do you enforce the violation then return ALL runners back TOP ? Or allow the run to count, enforce the violation then return runners time of infraction ? 

There is a caseplay that addresses that but the rule addresses it also. FED returns runners TOI except for FPSR violations. The latest TASO reversion to the NFHS interp of calling batters out for RLI upon the release of the throw to prevent runners from benefiting from RLI might confuse you but that run scores.

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, jimurrayalterego said:

There is a caseplay that addresses that but the rule addresses it also. FED returns runners TOI except for FPSR violations. The latest TASO reversion to the NFHS interp of calling batters out for RLI upon the release of the throw to prevent runners from benefiting from RLI might confuse you but that run scores.

To clarify, this was posted under "Rules", but it seems to be a FED question where my comment would be correct. In the other codes the run would still count due to an "intervening play". 

[Jglopez7]

24 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

To clarify, this was posted under "Rules", but it seems to be a FED question where my comment would be correct. In the other codes the run would still count due to an "intervening play". 

Correct. Fed rule set. 

[NavyBlue]

Here's the 2025 FED "intervening play" interp...

SITUATION 18: With R3 on third and R2 on second and one out, B4 hits a small ground ball which dies in front of home plate. R3, getting a good jump on the pitch, slides and touches home plate just as the catcher is picking up the baseball. R2 has not yet touched third when the catcher throws to first base, beating B4 to first. B4, while running to first, is out of the running lane as B4 nears first base. RULING: This is running-lane interference by B4. When the catcher makes the throw to first, interference is declared at the moment the throw is made, and B4 is out. Since the interference is at the time of the throw, R3’s score counts as he had touched home before the throw. R2 is returned to second base. 

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, NavyBlue said:

Here's the 2025 FED "intervening play" interp...

SITUATION 18: With R3 on third and R2 on second and one out, B4 hits a small ground ball which dies in front of home plate. R3, getting a good jump on the pitch, slides and touches home plate just as the catcher is picking up the baseball. R2 has not yet touched third when the catcher throws to first base, beating B4 to first. B4, while running to first, is out of the running lane as B4 nears first base. RULING: This is running-lane interference by B4. When the catcher makes the throw to first, interference is declared at the moment the throw is made, and B4 is out. Since the interference is at the time of the throw, R3’s score counts as he had touched home before the throw. R2 is returned to second base. 

You shouldn’t refer to this as an “intervening play”. There was no play at HP and the runner would be returned to 3B, outs depending, in OBR and NCAA if RLI was called. This is straight application of FED time of INT. 

[Jglopez7]

49 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

You shouldn’t refer to this as an “intervening play”. There was no play at HP and the runner would be returned to 3B, outs depending, in OBR and NCAA if RLI was called. This is straight application of FED time of INT. 

https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213591/2025-nfhs-baseball-rules-interpretations-final.pdf

[jimurrayalterego]

1 hour ago, Jglopez7 said:

https://www.nfhs.org/media/7213591/2025-nfhs-baseball-rules-interpretations-final.pdf

Your point being? Your OP has what would be called an "intervening play" in OBR and NCAA but the reason the run would score with less than 2 outs in FED is that R3 scored before the release of the throw, the TOI. @NavyBlue's cite of #18 from the rules interps you refer to does not have an "intervening play" at HP but still scores the run due to the score happening before the release of the throw. 

[Jglopez7]

11 minutes ago, jimurrayalterego said:

Your point being? Your OP has what would be called an "intervening play" in OBR and NCAA but the reason the run would score with less than 2 outs in FED is that R3 scored before the release of the throw, the TOI. @NavyChiefBlue's cite of #18 from the rules interps you refer to does not have an "intervening play" at HP but still scores the run due to the score happening before the release of the throw. 

Just sharing where he got it from. Ease up. 

[jimurrayalterego]

10 minutes ago, Jglopez7 said:

Just sharing where he got it from. Ease up. 

He cited the 2025 FED interps which have already been posted in the HS forum but thank you for posting the link, which would have not made me paranoid if you had posted it as a reply to his post🙂

[jimurrayalterego]

3 hours ago, NavyBlue said:

Here's the 2025 FED "intervening play" interp...

SITUATION 18: With R3 on third and R2 on second and one out, B4 hits a small ground ball which dies in front of home plate. R3, getting a good jump on the pitch, slides and touches home plate just as the catcher is picking up the baseball. R2 has not yet touched third when the catcher throws to first base, beating B4 to first. B4, while running to first, is out of the running lane as B4 nears first base. RULING: This is running-lane interference by B4. When the catcher makes the throw to first, interference is declared at the moment the throw is made, and B4 is out. Since the interference is at the time of the throw, R3’s score counts as he had touched home before the throw. R2 is returned to second base. 

To make clear that this interp is new as to the time of throw being the TOI but not new as to returning runners TOI except for FPSR, this interp is from 2007

"SITUATION 5: With (a) one out or (b) two outs, the visiting team has a runner on third in the top of the seventh. The game is tied 2-2. R1, on third, gets a great jump and easily scores on a suicide bunt. After R1 has scored, F2 picks up the ball and throws to first in an attempt to get B3 out. B3 is out of the running lane and is hit by F2's throw. Does the run by R1 count? RULING: B3 is out for interference. In (a), R1's run counts because he scored prior to the interference by B3. Had the interference by B3 occurred before R1 crossed the plate, R1 would be returned to third base, the base he occupied at the time of the interference. In (b), R1's run would not count as the third out occurred by B3 before he touched first base. (8-4-1g, 9-1-1a)"