Little League Juniors Injury Substitution

[KrazyRay]

Juniors division bat 9. There were 2 injury substitutions. First one was a sub came in for a starter in the 3rd inning. The sub got one at bat and played one inning in the field when he pulled a hamstring and couldn't run any more. The starting player he came in for came back in the game for him. Is that a legal substitution since the injured player did not complete his 6 consecutive outs? Next, A starting player fouled the ball off of his face with a 2 and 2 count in the fifth inning resulting in a concussion. He and his sub had already met their minimum play requirements so does the sub simply come back in for him and inherit the count? Thanks

[Rich Ives]

1 hour ago, KrazyRay said:

Juniors division bat 9. There were 2 injury substitutions. First one was a sub came in for a starter in the 3rd inning. The sub got one at bat and played one inning in the field when he pulled a hamstring and couldn't run any more. The starting player he came in for came back in the game for him. Is that a legal substitution since the injured player did not complete his 6 consecutive outs? Next, A starting player fouled the ball off of his face with a 2 and 2 count in the fifth inning resulting in a concussion. He and his sub had already met their minimum play requirements so does the sub simply come back in for him and inherit the count? Thanks

LL rule 3.02 Note 3:   If you don't have any legal subs (and you do not in these cases)  the opposing manager chooses who you use as a sub.  

[KrazyRay]

26 minutes ago, Rich Ives said:

LL rule 3.02 Note 3:   If you don't have any legal subs (and you do not in these cases)  the opposing manager chooses who you use as a sub.  

The player hit in the face was "married" to another player. Wouldn't that be a legal sub?

[JonnyCat]

13 hours ago, KrazyRay said:

Juniors division bat 9. There were 2 injury substitutions. First one was a sub came in for a starter in the 3rd inning. The sub got one at bat and played one inning in the field when he pulled a hamstring and couldn't run any more. The starting player he came in for came back in the game for him. Is that a legal substitution since the injured player did not complete his 6 consecutive outs? Next, A starting player fouled the ball off of his face with a 2 and 2 count in the fifth inning resulting in a concussion. He and his sub had already met their minimum play requirements so does the sub simply come back in for him and inherit the count? Thanks

Lets answer the easy question first, and that is situation #2. You are correct, the starter and sub, once mandatory play has been met for both, they may enter/re-enter as desired. This is covered under Rule 3.03(d), page 107 of the 2021 rule-book. (the 2021 rule-book is essentially the same as the 2022).

 

The first situation requires a bit more explanation, as it could get a little complicated. Lets talk about some provisions of Rule 3.03 first. LL rules (bat 9), stipulate that a starter cannot re-enter the game until his substitute has met mandatory play. This is covered under 3.03(a)(b). In your case, the starter cannot legally re-enter the game as the sub only had one at bat and 3 defensive outs.

Additionally, 3.03 note (1) states: "A substitute may not be removed from the game prior to completion of his/her mandatory play requirements."

Now you must move to Rule 3.03 note 3. It says:

"If during a game either team is unable to place (9) players on the field due to illness, injury, ejection, or inability to make a legal substitution, the opposing manager shall select a player previously used in the line-up to re-enter the game, but only if use of all eligible players has exhausted the roster."

Since you cannot make a legal substitution in situation #1, the opposing manager selects a player on the bench to re-enter. The manager could select that starter, or another bench player. If the opposing manager picks another player other than the starter, that starter cannot re-enter the game except for another condition under 3.03 note 3.

Hope that helps.

[Rich Ives]

On 3/20/2022 at 12:44 AM, KrazyRay said:

The player hit in the face was "married" to another player. Wouldn't that be a legal sub?

No - the injured player could not legally come out yet.

[KrazyRay]

Is that because he was in the middle of his at bat with an active 2-2 count?

[JonnyCat]

On 3/19/2022 at 8:13 PM, KrazyRay said:

Next, A starting player fouled the ball off of his face with a 2 and 2 count in the fifth inning resulting in a concussion. He and his sub had already met their minimum play requirements so does the sub simply come back in for him and inherit the count? Thanks

They can sub at will, there is no restriction here. Once the starter and sub have met their mandatory play, they can enter/re-enter at will. The applicable rule is 3.03(d):

"a starter and his/her substitute must not be in the line up at the same time, except as provided in 3.03 note 3. Once mandatory play is met, a starter and substitute(s) can enter/re-enter for each other as desired, but must re-enter in the SAME position in the batting order."

I'm not sure if Rich is reading that you have 2 different situations here. In your first situation, the injured sub had not completed mandatory play yet, so a legal substitution could not be made. In the second situation, this is a legal substitution.