It's your fault, umpire-empire! :)

[labguy1971]

 quick conference with his HC will do the trick. "Jim, if he doesn't knock it off, you're gonna need to report what sub you wanna use."

works 100% of the time

You don't instigate anything and he gets a chance to actually do HIS job. And the jackwagon teen stfu. Trifecta. Everyone wins.

Agree with that totally.

[labguy1971]

Be reminded that all of you had time to process this in front of your monitor. I didn't have that luxury as the situation occurred. Of course, I shouldn't have said "shut up". But I did. I was wondering if the ejection was warranted. Thanks for your input.

Ejection was warranted, as a new guy myself I tend to let things go a bit further than they should and have gotten chewed out from veterans saying that "by me not tossing these folks, makes their games harder".  I can see that point, and am trying to determine what the limit is.  In over 100 games done with rec, middle school, high school and USSSA, have only done 1 restricted to the bench for a head coach but have issued several warnings which for me (luckily) has done the trick on stopping the silly stuff.  The only real critique is the one you have already acknowledged, telling the kid to "shut up".  Good luck with the rest of your games.

[alan2703]

Being that hindsight is always 20/20 and not knowing tone of voice from the player at the I can only bas my thoughts on what I think I would do in retrospect( AS I told an asst.Chief who ripped me for a fire I ran when we lost a child you where not there in hindsight would I have done something differently maybe, but I have to live with it not you) I may not have said shut up I have said in the past said that is enough and walked away (yes walking running in my mind would be seen as running away the problem) if he followed me and continued he is gone. Again this is from hindsight and not being there .

[Recontra]

aiber, if I could be so audacious as to give some post-game parking lot feedback, here's what it would be:

 

It's natural for a new umpire to be stressed, nervous, wound a little tight, and not exactly calm before, during, and after games. You manage hundreds of teachers and students in a tough environment, and those skills will serve you well on the diamond--but get a grip and realize that you're a foreigner as an umpire on the diamond, and you're going to have some culture shock you'll need to get over.

 

With experience comes confidence, with confidence comes calm, with greater calm comes more confidence--after a few hundred games you'll start looking like the "Whomping Willow" out on the field--solidly rooted to the earth and mostly calm and still, quickly mobile when necessary--but with extreme economy of movement. Please treat this forum like your post game. The best thing we can ask our partners after a game is:  "OK, what do you got for me?" And then listen calmly to hopefully the blunt unredacted and uncensored truth and opinion that follows.  I've heard from every Pro umpire I've ever talked to that they spend hours post-gaming every game, going over every play, talking about it, and giving and receiving constructive criticism. If it's important for Pro umpires to do that, it's sure as hell critical for guys like you and me. Sure, a lot of post-game critique is hypothetical and with 20/20 hindsight, but that's how we learn. We think about our mistakes, and then the next time the same or a similar situation occurs, we don't even have to think about what to do--we've already played it over in our minds hundreds of times.

 

Communicate with your partner days before the game, and agree to meet pre-game in a parking lot to get geared up--park next to each other, and if that means parking even further away, then do it. Never meet up at the field, and if somehow possible, always park next to each other. Get geared down together after the game, and do a quality post-game. Have a shoe-washing station ready to go in your car/truck--and even if your partner is in a hurry to get the hell out of Dodge, subtley make him stay at least as long as it takes you to clean, dry, and spray your shoes. Pick his brain, pick his brain, pick his brain--even brand new guys can give us quality feedback.

 

And if there are things you didn't have time to post game (or your partner said something bizarrely weird you think might be wrong), bring it here. Each of the guys here was once a newbie/rookie umpire, and despite their sometimes sarcasm and blunt honesty in their opinions, everyone is here (even the most senior guys), because we are all still striving for perfection--to one day have that perfect game before our colleagues eventually sit us down over a beer and let us know it really is time for us to box up our gear.

[labguy1971]

RecontraBacan, on 20 Mar 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:RecontraBacan, on 20 Mar 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

aiber, if I could be so audacious as to give some post-game parking lot feedback, here's what it would be:

 

It's natural for a new umpire to be stressed, nervous, wound a little tight, and not exactly calm before, during, and after games. You manage hundreds of teachers and students in a tough environment, and those skills will serve you well on the diamond--but get a grip and realize that you're a foreigner as an umpire on the diamond, and you're going to have some culture shock you'll need to get over.

 

With experience comes confidence, with confidence comes calm, with greater calm comes more confidence--after a few hundred games you'll start looking like the "Whomping Willow" out on the field--solidly rooted to the earth and mostly calm and still, quickly mobile when necessary--but with extreme economy of movement. Please treat this forum like your post game. The best thing we can ask our partners after a game is:  "OK, what do you got for me?" And then listen calmly to hopefully the blunt unredacted and uncensored truth and opinion that follows.  I've heard from every Pro umpire I've ever talked to that they spend hours post-gaming every game, going over every play, talking about it, and giving and receiving constructive criticism. If it's important for Pro umpires to do that, it's sure as hell critical for guys like you and me. Sure, a lot of post-game critique is hypothetical and with 20/20 hindsight, but that's how we learn. We think about our mistakes, and then the next time the same or a similar situation occurs, we don't even have to think about what to do--we've already played it over in our minds hundreds of times.

 

Communicate with your partner days before the game, and agree to meet pre-game in a parking lot to get geared up--park next to each other, and if that means parking even further away, then do it. Never meet up at the field, and if somehow possible, always park next to each other. Get geared down together after the game, and do a quality post-game. Have a shoe-washing station ready to go in your car/truck--and even if your partner is in a hurry to get the hell out of Dodge, subtley make him stay at least as long as it takes you to clean, dry, and spray your shoes. Pick his brain, pick his brain, pick his brain--even brand new guys can give us quality feedback.

 

And if there are things you didn't have time to post game (or your partner said something bizarrely weird you think might be wrong), bring it here. Each of the guys here was once a newbie/rookie umpire, and despite their sometimes sarcasm and blunt honesty in their opinions, everyone is here (even the most senior guys), because we are all still striving for perfection--to one day have that perfect game before our colleagues eventually sit us down over a beer and let us know it really is time for us to box up our gear.

Good advice.  I am pretty new to umpiring and your post is quite good.