odd D3K, Time play?

[Guest Matt]

I had an odd situation this weekend that I'd like to hear thoughts on and provide any criticism.  Situation

 

12U FED rules

R2 and R3

2 outs

D3k passed ball, the defense tries to get R3 out at the plate but he was safe.  Batter/runner was standing at the plate watching the play offense team dugout and stands yelling for him to run; defense dugout and stands yelling through it to first.  Batter/runner starts to run to first, by this time R2 has rounded 3rd and is headed home.  The offense explainably makes the play on R2 getting the 3rd out.  Here's the kicker.. The 3rd out was made before the Batter reached 1st base.  

 

I ruled that the run counted as the 3rd out wasn't the batter/runner rather it was R2 so that it was a time play.  DC argued that since it was a strikeout and the batter didn't reach 1st before the 3rd out that the run shouldn't count.  Talked with my partner and he felt that since it was a strikeout and the runners were R2 and R3 at TOP and at the strikeout that they shouldn't count.  I don't think that it matters but after R2 was the 3rd out the batter/runner kept going and did reach 1st base.  I stuck with my original call and counted the run.  Did I kick it? 

[Rich Ives]

If there are three outs there is no reason to keep running. How can you punish someone for not running the bases after the third out?  Get real!

[Jimurray]

From the PBUC just past all the appeal cases....

In addition to the preceding approved rulings regarding appeal plays, the examples and plays found in the Case Book Comments to Official Baseball Rule 4.09 also pertain to appeal plays. In particular, plays found in that section of the Official Baseball Rules demonstrate the following three concepts:

1. No run shall score during a play in which the 3rd out is made by the batter-runner before he touches first base.

The way I read this, I'm thinking OBR will let me get a 4th out on appeal on a batter-runner not reaching 1st.

Wendelstedt would not agree per their WUM as of a few years ago. OBR requires the defense to know who to play upon. They would not allow the appeal in OBR. Appeal would be denied. NCAA would allow the appeal, as of this year's test. Let's see what 2015 holds.

Hint, hint: time to purchase another manual, link not available.

[Rich Ives]

 

 

The way I read this, I'm thinking OBR will let me get a 4th out on appeal on a batter-runner not reaching 1st. 

 

If you want to see a coach go absolutely bat-sh!t call a runner our because he didn't continue to run after there were three outs.

 

If the NCAA wants an out here they're off their rockers.

[Replacematt]

 

 

 

The way I read this, I'm thinking OBR will let me get a 4th out on appeal on a batter-runner not reaching 1st. 

 

If you want to see a coach go absolutely bat-sh!t call a runner our because he didn't continue to run after there were three outs.

 

If the NCAA wants an out here they're off their rockers.

 

 

I hope this happens in one of my games. I'm denying the appeal and telling the DC to protest.

[Guest lexrex]

For what it's worth this is from J/R: "Not an appeal: Bases load two outs. The batter singles and R2 is thrown out at home for the third put. The batter has been injured and is unable to advance to first, prompting the defense to throw to first against him: this is an advantageous fourth out and supersedes the former third out, and no run can score."

[Replacematt]

For what it's worth this is from J/R: "Not an appeal: Bases load two outs. The batter singles and R2 is thrown out at home for the third put. The batter has been injured and is unable to advance to first, prompting the defense to throw to first against him: this is an advantageous fourth out and supersedes the former third out, and no run can score."

What does it say about a foul tip on a bounce?

[Replacematt]

I just noticed that MLBUM 5.16 states unequivocally and in bold that abandonment is not an appeal play. Just throwing that out there.