Infield Fly

[slo8140]

I want the answer according to FED rules.

 

1 out bases loaded. Batter hits a fly ball near the line between home and first. It should be called an infield fly, but it is not. Neither umpire says anything. Pitcher, catcher and first baseman all stare at each other and let the ball drop in fair territory. It was high enough and any of the three could have caught the ball with reasonable effort.

 

A defensive player picks up the ball and throws home for to a force out on the runner heading home and then throws to third to force out the runner coming from 2nd. Neither runner was tagged out...just the base was touched.

 

After the play is over umpires realize it was an infield fly and the batter should be called out due to the infield fly....what do you do with the runners? Do you put them back where they started and proceed with 2 outs? Do you score the runner from third and permit the runners from first and second to advance to 2nd and 3rd respectively since there were no tags..and proceed with two outs.....

 

Been doing this for a long time and I am not sure. Need some insight....with a rule or case play to back it up.

[grayhawk]

10.2.3 Situation G.

 

Even though the umpires failed to call the infield fly, both teams are responsible for knowing when it's in effect.  Based on this case play, I would score R3 and keep R2 at third.  The batter should be called out.

[UmpJM]

slo8140,

 

Bit of a goat rodeo there.

 

I would be inclined to go with BR out, other runners keep their advances.

 

Case 10.2.3F & G

 

JM

[JaxRolo]

Concur. Fix it.

[scrounge]

If any umpire called "out" and a runner gave up based on that instruction, fix it and place them. Otherwise, whatever played out, played out.

 

Don't give up on the play, do your best. And put your shields up, because the Hurricane Katrina of sh%#storms is about to make landfall.

[Kevin_K]

If any umpire called "out" and a runner gave up based on that instruction, fix it and place them. Otherwise, whatever played out, played out.

 

 

 

I respectfully disagree if you mean that the runners who were "forced out" stand as outs. Even though infield fly was not called, it is still in effect. Runners who advanced, did so at their own risk. Since there were no force plays, runners had to be tagged. They were not.

 

 

10.2.3 Situation G.

 

Even though the umpires failed to call the infield fly, both teams are responsible for knowing when it's in effect. Based on this case play, I would score R3 and keep R2 at third. The batter should be called out.

This .....

 

 

 

I would be inclined to go with BR out, other runners keep their advances.

 

Case 10.2.3F & G

 

JM

and this

[LRZ]

Not to hijack the thread, but a different result under OBR, which talks, in several places, about "declared" infield fly?

[afaber12]

10.2.3 Situation G.

Even though the umpires failed to call the infield fly, both teams are responsible for knowing when it's in effect. Based on this case play, I would score R3 and keep R2 at third. The batter should be called out.

Outside of the curiosity and intellectual challenge, FED rules aren't of any importance in my neck of the woods. I'm curious as to whether the case play suggests for R2 and R3 to advance? Otherwise from the OP, it'd seem reasonable to call BR out on on the IFF, and leave the runners where they were at the start of the play. It didn't seem as though any of the runners were attempting to advance, presumably knowing BR was supposed to be out.

[UmpJM]

afaber,

 

While it wasn't "crystal clear", I inferred from the description in the OP that the runners had advanced during the action of the play.

 

If they did not, I would agree that you would leave them where they were.

 

JM

[scrounge]

 

If any umpire called "out" and a runner gave up based on that instruction, fix it and place them. Otherwise, whatever played out, played out.

 

 

 

I respectfully disagree if you mean that the runners who were "forced out" stand as outs. Even though infield fly was not called, it is still in effect. Runners who advanced, did so at their own risk. Since there were no force plays, runners had to be tagged. They were not.

 

I agree...I was thinking more if a runner gave up before ever reaching the base based on an out call. If they made it and touched without being tagged, they made it.

[JaxRolo]

Not to hijack the thread, but a different result under OBR, which talks, in several places, about "declared" infield fly?

Let's not hijack since the OP specifically asked for FED rules