3 man U1 Position

[zm1283]

 

 

Ignoring the trajectory of the fly ball, consider this possibility:

 

Without seeing the play when you say shallow I would assume a ball that the F4 could catch or F9 could come in and catch.

 

Something to consider when reading a fly ball is will the flight/location of the ball cause 2-3 converging fielders.

I've worked a lot of 3 man with guys (new and and experienced at 3 man) that get lazy and only read the fly ball and not the fielders.  These situations can turn from "routine" to "trouble" and if you hook instead of go out you're burnt.

 

How many times have you seen "I've got it, I've got it" and then either no one catches it or the confusion causes a last second reach, shoe-string and/or fall down/dive catch on the "routine" fly ball.

 

In situations like this, I always go out to protect against this possibility and all of my partners at my level usually do as well.

 

It's too easy for U3 to slide over and get a terrific angle on a put out in this situation coming from F9 or F8.  It's more work in my opinion for U1 to hook back around (if there is enough time) to get a similar angle as U3 could get with just a few steps.

If U1 goes out then you have someone hustling out on the catch and that looks good and better protects the crew from hoopla.

 

In my $0.02 (if you choose to consider it), U1 just going out on this is not only easier, but safer to not blunder something and covers all possibilities.

Good stuff here.  Pause, read and 90+% of the time, U1 goes out.  This is almost always a trouble ball.

 

Even if it's a trouble ball it's still U3s ball. U1 shouldn't be going out when the ball is hit anywhere near center or anywhere inside of the right fielder with a runner on first. If it's a trouble ball U3 can bust the line and go out to make the call while U1 can go into the library and read the play for possible tag up or for a possible play into first. This is how we do it in pro ball. 

 

 

 

What professional league do you work in? I can tell you that AA and AAA umpires in affiliated MiLB do not do it this way, nor do NCAA umpires. What is the "library" when you're working as U1? 

 

I'm still holding out hope that you're pulling an April Fool's joke here.

[FlaUmp22]

 

 

Ignoring the trajectory of the fly ball, consider this possibility:

 

Without seeing the play when you say shallow I would assume a ball that the F4 could catch or F9 could come in and catch.

 

Something to consider when reading a fly ball is will the flight/location of the ball cause 2-3 converging fielders.

I've worked a lot of 3 man with guys (new and and experienced at 3 man) that get lazy and only read the fly ball and not the fielders.  These situations can turn from "routine" to "trouble" and if you hook instead of go out you're burnt.

 

How many times have you seen "I've got it, I've got it" and then either no one catches it or the confusion causes a last second reach, shoe-string and/or fall down/dive catch on the "routine" fly ball.

 

In situations like this, I always go out to protect against this possibility and all of my partners at my level usually do as well.

 

It's too easy for U3 to slide over and get a terrific angle on a put out in this situation coming from F9 or F8.  It's more work in my opinion for U1 to hook back around (if there is enough time) to get a similar angle as U3 could get with just a few steps.

If U1 goes out then you have someone hustling out on the catch and that looks good and better protects the crew from hoopla.

 

In my $0.02 (if you choose to consider it), U1 just going out on this is not only easier, but safer to not blunder something and covers all possibilities.

Good stuff here.  Pause, read and 90+% of the time, U1 goes out.  This is almost always a trouble ball.

 

Even if it's a trouble ball it's still U3s ball. U1 shouldn't be going out when the ball is hit anywhere near center or anywhere inside of the right fielder with a runner on first. If it's a trouble ball U3 can bust the line and go out to make the call while U1 can go into the library and read the play for possible tag up or for a possible play into first. This is how we do it in pro ball. 

 

 

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

 

Said the ball was hit to to right center meaning it's still within the coverage of U3. While the ball is in the air U1 should be lining up the "tag" anyway. If he does that properly then he should already be in prefect position for the play coming back into first. At most he would have to do from there would be take a read step or two but that's it.

It's U3's only if U1 doesn't go out.  U1 is the boss, U3 reads U1.  U1's first job is to read the ball/fielders.

 

Why would U1 be going out on a ball hit to right center? Even if it's a trouble ball U3 would have the coverage on that if it's within the "V". At least that's how we run the pro mechanic.

 

Not in trouble, that fly ball coverage goes to U1

 

PU's catch if not a trouble ball.

The only (outfield) catch PU has is a trouble ball with F7 moving towards the line.  U1 has all trouble balls from F8 straight in or back to the RF line,.  U3 has all other trouble balls and all 'routine' catches in the V.  At least that's the college mechanic.  Dunno the pro mechanic.  FED probably has 2 umpires going out.

 

Dash, I think you should buy a CCA and read it. U1 always has trouble balls with the CF coming straight in and going towards the line.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

 

Ignoring the trajectory of the fly ball, consider this possibility:

 

Without seeing the play when you say shallow I would assume a ball that the F4 could catch or F9 could come in and catch.

 

Something to consider when reading a fly ball is will the flight/location of the ball cause 2-3 converging fielders.

I've worked a lot of 3 man with guys (new and and experienced at 3 man) that get lazy and only read the fly ball and not the fielders.  These situations can turn from "routine" to "trouble" and if you hook instead of go out you're burnt.

 

How many times have you seen "I've got it, I've got it" and then either no one catches it or the confusion causes a last second reach, shoe-string and/or fall down/dive catch on the "routine" fly ball.

 

In situations like this, I always go out to protect against this possibility and all of my partners at my level usually do as well.

 

It's too easy for U3 to slide over and get a terrific angle on a put out in this situation coming from F9 or F8.  It's more work in my opinion for U1 to hook back around (if there is enough time) to get a similar angle as U3 could get with just a few steps.

If U1 goes out then you have someone hustling out on the catch and that looks good and better protects the crew from hoopla.

 

In my $0.02 (if you choose to consider it), U1 just going out on this is not only easier, but safer to not blunder something and covers all possibilities.

Good stuff here.  Pause, read and 90+% of the time, U1 goes out.  This is almost always a trouble ball.

 

Even if it's a trouble ball it's still U3s ball. U1 shouldn't be going out when the ball is hit anywhere near center or anywhere inside of the right fielder with a runner on first. If it's a trouble ball U3 can bust the line and go out to make the call while U1 can go into the library and read the play for possible tag up or for a possible play into first. This is how we do it in pro ball. 

 

Please read my last post about buying a CCA... i know they no longer make a 3 man in the PBUC manual, ( as you can only get it online now).. but try to find one of those and read it as well.

[Forest Ump]

From the 2014 CCA Manual

[Dash Riprock]

The only (outfield) catch PU has is a trouble ball with F7 moving towards the line.  U1 has all trouble balls from F8 straight in or back to the RF line,.  U3 has all other trouble balls and all 'routine' catches in the V.  At least that's the college mechanic.  Dunno the pro mechanic.  FED probably has 2 umpires going out.

 

 

Dash, I think you should buy a CCA and read it. U1 always has trouble balls with the CF coming straight in and going towards the line.

 

That is what I said.

[MidAmUmp]

So let's make this as simple as possible.  I'll type slow so everyone can keep up...

• U3 has all fly balls that take the left fielder and right fielder towards center -UNLESS- U1 reads trouble on a fly ball from the center fielder to right field. 
• If U1 reads trouble, he goes out and U3 is responsible for R1 back into 1st. 
• If U1 doesn't read trouble, U3 is responsible for catch/no catch, and U1 will back up to a point where everything is in front of him - ball, fielder(s), runner, and base - basically the front of the coach's box.

So U1 has 2 options - go out or circle around and observe all the action at 1st base.

 

That's how it's done at the college level and at the professional level (with the exception that U1 is supposed to always go out in this situation in AA & AAA).

[gclg2000]

 

 

Ignoring the trajectory of the fly ball, consider this possibility:

 

Without seeing the play when you say shallow I would assume a ball that the F4 could catch or F9 could come in and catch.

 

Something to consider when reading a fly ball is will the flight/location of the ball cause 2-3 converging fielders.

I've worked a lot of 3 man with guys (new and and experienced at 3 man) that get lazy and only read the fly ball and not the fielders.  These situations can turn from "routine" to "trouble" and if you hook instead of go out you're burnt.

 

How many times have you seen "I've got it, I've got it" and then either no one catches it or the confusion causes a last second reach, shoe-string and/or fall down/dive catch on the "routine" fly ball.

 

In situations like this, I always go out to protect against this possibility and all of my partners at my level usually do as well.

 

It's too easy for U3 to slide over and get a terrific angle on a put out in this situation coming from F9 or F8.  It's more work in my opinion for U1 to hook back around (if there is enough time) to get a similar angle as U3 could get with just a few steps.

If U1 goes out then you have someone hustling out on the catch and that looks good and better protects the crew from hoopla.

 

In my $0.02 (if you choose to consider it), U1 just going out on this is not only easier, but safer to not blunder something and covers all possibilities.

Good stuff here.  Pause, read and 90+% of the time, U1 goes out.  This is almost always a trouble ball.

 

Even if it's a trouble ball it's still U3s ball. U1 shouldn't be going out when the ball is hit anywhere near center or anywhere inside of the right fielder with a runner on first. If it's a trouble ball U3 can bust the line and go out to make the call while U1 can go into the library and read the play for possible tag up or for a possible play into first. This is how we do it in pro ball. 

 

 

This is 100% incorrect.

[Haid D' Salaami]

MidamUmp.. can you slow down just a bit more please....