Plate Meeting / Lineups

[Larry in TN]

My league (LL) doesn't exchange official lineups at the plate meeting as the rules specify.  The managers/coaches/scorers exchange the lineups unofficially whenever they have them ready.  Since the PU does not have a copy of the lineups he would consult with the official scorer (home team's scorer) if the batting order is appealed.

 

When it is done correctly, how and when does the official scorer receive a copy of the lineups?

[blue23ll]

By 'done correctly' I assume you mean exchanging line ups at the plate meeting? As far as I know, the line-ups are given to the official scorer after the plate meeting, which is where the home team has been given the visitors line up card. Now, I also know that sometimes the lineups are exchanged 'unofficially' between the teams prior to the plate meeting. 

[noumpere]

The umpire is supposed to get multiple copies, keep one, give one to the other manager and then return the others.  One of these "others" is given to the press box.

 

99% of the time, the press box gets the line up in advance.

[blue23ll]

Press box in LL ?  Not very often. And in LL, during tournament play, line ups are sometimes reviewed by the TD, prior to the home plate meeting.

[semper_fi_72]

We are in All Stars now.

Teams provide line ups to official score keeper and tournament personnel 45 min before game time.

When we arrive at the field (30 min) before game time, the score keeper gives us the line ups/

We perform equipment checks.

After teams are introduced, LL Pledge is said, National Anthem done, we hold the plate meeting.

PU hands both Managers back their line ups and asks if these are still correct.

They review them and return them to PU.

He then gives each manager a copy of theirs and of the opposing team line ups.

He keeps one copy and returns one to the score keeper after the plate meeting.

 

During regular season, most of the LL's around here provide the official score keeper a copy at least 15 minutes before the game.

[noumpere]

Press box in LL ?  Not very often. And in LL, during tournament play, line ups are sometimes reviewed by the TD, prior to the home plate meeting.

Sorry.  I missed the LL specific part of the question and was directing my response to pro / college levels (and in some college even then "press box" might just mean a tent behind the back stop or something)

[ScubaUmp]

You need to get a line up and have all the changes reported through you 'MANDATORY PLAY'

 

Last Night sitch.

 

Championship 11 yr. olds. team has 12 players. Bottom of the 4th, notice the visiting team Manager making defensive changes. "coach do you have changes for me?" He said, "Yes, but I'll give them when they come up to bat" ?????????????? I responded, need them now. Reported changes to the press box above. Love it when the press box is above, everybody in the park hears the changes.

 

The key here is Mandatory Play- had I not noticed, and the Manager reported offensively in the top of the 5th, when he re-entered his subs in the top of the 6th the official scorer would have notified me that they had not completed the six consecutive outs as required, and well, you can imagine where it would have went from there. 

[Larry in TN]

You need to get a line up and have all the changes reported through you 'MANDATORY PLAY'

 

Exactly why I'm asking.  

 

I'll be the official scorer for three games this weekend at a LL tournament and want to make sure that I do it correctly.  I tend to me rather assertive with these things so I want to make sure that I'm assertive about the correct procedure!

[Dragon29]

. . . and, to add to all of this - no matter how/when the lineup appears in the PU's hand, once it has been accepted, his lineup is the correct one for the game regardless of what the scorekeeper has.

[SoCal Lurker]

More or less on topic, what is proper protocol for subs?  (It's PONY tournament if that matters.)  Game last night, batter up during latter innnigs doesn't match the lineup.  Coach waits till his AB is over, he ends up on base, and he calls time.  Sub was reported to the official book (U is not keeping the lineup, just the scorer is), but not to the opposing team -- shouldn't sub process include notice to the opponent?  (Our regular season uses CBO, so not an issue.)

[Dragon29]

Not 100% sure about Pony, but the standard is typically that an unannounced substitute is a legal substitute. Should it be recorded by the PU &/or announced? Of course, but as long as it is otherwise a legal substitution, it's OK. (Just make sure it is a sub and not a BOO)

[mstaylor]

Correct, as long as it is not BOO, it is simply an unannounced sub. The opposing manager should be told of subs because it could affect  his pitching or defensive positioning.